Immortality or Resurrection by William West (philippa perry book txt) 📕

Those who believe in Hell use both to prove Hell; both "from" and "in" the presence of the Lord are where the torment of Hell will be, they clearly contradict themselves. Is Hell in Christ's presence or away from His presence? They say death is separation from God. They have it both ways with the dead both separated from God and at the same time in the presence of God.
Robert Peterson commenting of 2 Thessalonians 1:9 in "Hell on Trial" says:
• Peterson: A person EXISTS but remains excluded from God's good presence.
• Paul "Who shall be punished with everlasting DESTRUCTION from the presence of the Lord."
Peterson changed "destruction" to "exists." From what dictionary does Peterson find "destruction" to mean "exists"? The English or the Greek word does not mean to exist. Nothing can exist and be destroyed at the same time. There is no passage in the Bible that says a part of a person will exist apart from God before or after the judgment. He changed "everlasting destruction" to "everlasting existing."
• Anything that exists has not been destroyed.
• Anything that has been destroyed does not exist.
DESTRUCTION HAS BEEN CHANGED TO EXIST, to exist in some faraway place where God does not exist. Who made this place? Did God make it and then abandoned it to exist on it own just as those sent there must exist on their own and sustain their own life without the help of God who is not there? WHERE IS THE REVELATION FROM WHICH ANYONE COULD KNOW DESTRUCTION MEANS TO EXIST AWAY FROM GOD AND WITHOUT GOD? They know that if destruction is destruction, then those who are destroyed do not exist any longer, therefore, they must change the word God used to exist. They must say to God, "Not so God, even despite the fact that You said they will be destroyed, no one can be destroyed." This is an example of how far Peterson and all who believe this heathen teaching are willing to go to save their theology. BEING PERMANENTLY APART FROM GOD MAKES LIFE IMPOSSIBLE. IT MAKES TO EXIST IN ANY WAY IMPOSSIBLE. How can anyone who says he or she “speaks where the Bible speaks and is silent where the Bible is silent” change “everlasting destruction” into “everlasting torment” and still say they do not change God’s word when even a child can see they have changed it?
For this passage to prove God will forever be tormenting most of mankind, "eternal destruction" must be changed to "eternally destroying." God is made to be like a man that sets out to destroy a house by tearing it down, but works on it all his lifetime, and not one part of the house is destroyed. They have God spending eternity destroying a soul but never will destroy any part of that soul. "Destroy" and "torment" are different things and cannot be made to be the same thing.
1 Thessalonians 5:2-4 "For yourselves know perfectly that THE DAY OF THE LORD so comes as a thief in the night. When they (those of the world) are saying, Peace and safety, then sudden destruction (olethros) comes upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall in no wise escape. But you, brethren, are not in darkness, THAT DAY should overtake you as a thief." The sudden destruction, which "they shall in no wise escape" is on "THE DAY OF THE LORD," "THAT DAY" not eternal torment after "THE DAY OF THE LORD." Also 1 Timothy 6:9; 2 Corinthians 5:1-5.
Roger E. Dickson said, "2 Thessalonians 1:9 should thus be translated that 'these shall be punished with destruction that has unending result.' The word 'destruction' means something is terminated, that the action of destruction would not continuously go on forever and ever...The result of the destruction would continue forever. In other words, those destroyed would not come back into existence. Taken literally, they are destroyed" "Life, Death and Beyond" Biblical Research Library, Volume 11, 1998, Page 160, church of Christ.
[5] PHTHIRO is used 8 times: Wigram, Page 786. It is translated [1] Destroy 2 times, [2] Corrupt 4 times, [3] Corruption 2 times. "If any man DESTROYS (phthiro) the temple of God, God will DESTROY (phthiro) him" 1 Corinthians 3:17 New American Standard Version. Against all rules of interpretation, the same word is used in the same sentence with two completely different meanings. By today's theology it is changed to be, "If any man DESTROYS (phthiro) the temple of God, God will TORMENT (basanisnios) him." Why such inconsistency? Do those who have their own theory change the Bible to keep their theology?
[6] PHTHORA is used 9 times: Wigram, Page 786. It is translated [1] Corruption 7 times, [2] Perish 1 time, [3] Destroyed 1 time.
• "All which things are to PERISH (phthiro) with the using" [Colossians 2:22 American Standard Version]. Things are not going to be tormented, but will come to an end. Yet, when the same word is used in reference to a person, some say, "Not so, a person cannot perish; and not even God can destroy him, for a person is eternal and therefore cannot be destroyed."
• "Beast, made to be taken and DESTROYED (phthiro)" [2 Peter 2:12] King James Version].
• "Shall UTTERLY PERISH (kataphileo) in their own CORRUPTION (phthiro)" [2 Peter 2:12] King James Version. "DESTROYED" New American Standard Version.
• "But these, like unreasoning animals, born as creatures of instinct to be captured and KILLED, (phthiro) reviling where they have no knowledge, will in the DESTRUCTION (kataphileo) of these creatures also be DESTROYED (phthiro)" New American Standard Version. This is changed to say animals will be killed (phthiro), but men will be tormented (phthiro). When this passage is changed, the same word must be given two different interpretations in the same sentence to keep animals from having souls.
[7] KATAPHILEO is used 2 times: Wigram, Page 416, Translated [1] Utterly perish 1 time, 2 Peter 2:12, [2] Corrupt 1 time, 2 Timothy 3:8.
• "But these [men] as natural brute beast made to be taken and destroyed...SHALL UTTERLY PERISH (kataphileo) Wigram, Page 416] in their own CORRUPTION (phthiro)" King James Version. Both evil men and beast shall utterly perish.
• "But these (men), as creatures without reason, born mere animals to be taken and DESTROYED (kataphileo)...shall in their [men] destroying surely be DESTROYED (phthiro)." [At end of world]. American Standard Version.
• "But these (men), like unreasoning animals, born as creatures...to be captured and killed...will in the DESTRUCTION (kataphileo) of these creatures also be DESTROYED [phthiro]" New American Standard Version.
• "These people, however, are like irrational animals...born to be caught and KILLED (phthiro) and when these creatures are DESTROYED (kataphileo), they [men] also will be DESTROYED (phthiro) " New Revised Standard Version.
• "They, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and are like brute beast, creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and DESTROYED (kataphileo) and like beasts they [men] too will PERISH (phthiro)." New International Version.
• "These [men] (like unreasoning wild animals born to be captured and DESTROYED (phthiro), ranting in their ignorance) will also be DESTROYED in their destroying." Hugo McCord, New Testament Translation, Printed by Freed-Hardeman College.
• “Animals...destruction...[men] shall be UTTERLY DESTROYED (kataphileo)” Living Oracles, A Campbell, Gospel Advocate Co.
"Truth Commentaries" on 2 Peter 2:12 changes what Peter said about the same thing shall happen to these men that happened to the beast, and tried to side step by saying they only act as if they are of the same nature. NOTHING IS SAID ABOUT A PERSON AND BEAST HAVING THE SAME NATURE, HE ADDED THAT, BUT PETER SAID THAT THEY BOTH WILL HAVE THE SAME END, BOTH WILL "BE DESTROYED" American Standard Version. The writer could not get around this so he changed what Peter said from both beast and corrupt men having the same end, to both having the same nature; and then he said they do not even have the same nature, but only act as if they do? The same end is not the same thing as "same nature." From where did he get same nature? Is he not a county mile from what Peter did say? Does he think only the "nature" of a person or beast is to be destroyed (phthora), but only one will be alive after their nature is destroyed [Psalms 49:20]?
[8] EXOLOTHREUO is used only one time. "And it shall be, that every soul [psukee] that shall not hearken to that prophet, shall be UTTERLY DESTROYED from among the people" [Acts 3:23]. It is the "psukee" [soul, living being, person] that shall be "utterly destroyed." If this were speaking of immaterial no substance part of a person the very thing many say is immortal from birth and cannot be destroyed is "utterly destroyed." In Acts 3:22-23 Peter is speaking of anyone who will not hear Christ shall be "utterly destroyed," not forever preserved alive. Not only shall they that do not hearken to Christ be destroyed, but they are to be “utterly destroyed.”
"Exolothreuo is found in this one passage. This is the strongest word in Greek for the action of God towards man in his evil. There is not a shade of modification from the idea or absolute eradication. The word means clearly 'the wiping out of existence.' Even the translators used an adjective, 'utterly' to convey the idea of eradication. It clearly refers to all those who reject Christ as being eradicated." G. A. Adams, "The Judgment," Page 25.
When the strongest words in the Greek language that signify destroy or destruction are made to mean an everlasting existence in torment; there cannot be a grosser misinterpretation of language.
[9] KATARGEO is used 27 times. Wigram, Page 415. Translated [1] Abolished, [2] Vanish away, [3] Bring to naught (nothing), [4] Do away with, [5] Destroy [6] Destroyed, [7] Be done away, [8] Ceased, [9] etc.
• Death "SHALL BE ABOLISHED (katargeo)" [1 Corinthians 15:26]. No one thinks death will exist forever in torment. If a person were immortal, there would be no death to be abolished.
• Knowledge "SHALL VANISH AWAY (katargeo)" [1 Corinthians 13:8]. Not be tormented.
• "God SHALL BRING TO NAUGHT (katargeo) both it and THEM" [1 Corinthians 6:13]. GOD WILL BRING TO NAUGHT [bring to nothing] BOTH THEIR BELLY AND THEM. "Do away with both" New American Standard Version. "Destroy both" New Revised Standard Version. Their belly will go back to the dust from which it came and cease to be just as they will. God will bring to nothing "both it (their belly) and them."
• "That through death he might BRING TO NAUGHT (katargeo) him that had the power of death, that is, the devil" [Hebrews 2:14], Satan is to be brought to nothing, not forever tormented. How? By being cast into the lake of fire [Revelation 20:10] "which is the second death " [Revelation 21:8]. God made Satan, man and all that was made out of nothing and both Satan and all lost men will return to nothing.
• "HAVING ABOLISHED (katargeo) in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments" [Ephesians 2:15]. No one thinks the law of commandments is being tormented forever. It was brought to naught (nothing), vanished away, was abolished just as Satan and all the lost will be. The same word is used for the end of death, knowledge, the belly, Satan, the Law of Moses, and the lost. Whatever happens to one happens to the others.