Immortality or Resurrection (Updated) by William West (ereader with dictionary .txt) π
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What is a man? Is a person born with an immortal soul, or do the saved put on immortality at the resurrection? Is a person a three part being, an animal body with both a soul and a spirit that will live without the body? This is one of the most important questions of all time. It has more influence on our conception of our nature, our view of life in this world and life after death than any other question.
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be invested in the resurrection with a new, spiritual body; clothed with
immortality, to live forever in the spirit world." Even so, most Universalist seems to be as
unsure of what part of a person, soul or spirit, they think has immortality, as are most
Protestants who believe some part of a person is now immortal and can never die
therefore, this immortal part of a person must live forever somewhere. Universalist must
prove that Christ will give "eternal life" to all, even to those who do not come to Him
[John 5:40]. They know this and know that all will not come to Christ in this lifetime;
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therefore, they have made up an "age" after the resurrection, which is not in the Bible, in
which they think all will come to Christ.
[2] THE DEATH PENALTY
They MUST do away with the Bible teaching on death. There can be no wages of sin,
as they believe there is no death. The only real difference with them and unconditional
immoralist is where their immortal souls will end up, (1) some in Heaven and some in
Hell, (2) or all in Heaven.
β’ Both must do away with death. Both must deny the Bible when it says, "The
wages of sin is death."
β’ Both believe, "You shall not surely die," that from the day of your birth you can
never be destroyed and it is not possible for you to die.
WILL THE SECOND DEATH MAKE ALL ALIVE, AS UNIVERSALIST
BELIEVES IT WILL? They teach after the second death, all will be made alive. Both
the good and the evil will be made alive, and both will then be immortal. They believe
that when death the last enemy is destroyed, no one can be dead. They think the end of
death must give life to all that are dead. All who die the second death will be alive and
have immortality. THE UNIVERSALIST BELIEVES THE SECOND DEATH TO BE
THE END OF DEATH, NOT THE END OF THE SINNER; THAT FOR DEATH TO
END ALL THAT WAS DEAD MUST BE MADE ALIVE FOR THEY BELIEVE
THAT AS LONG AS ANY ARE DEAD, IT CANNOT BE THE END OF DEATH.
They seem to think that when "death shall be no more" [Revelation 21:4] could only
mean that all who had died are raised from the dead, and all that ever lived would have to
be alive for if any were dead it could not be said there is no more death. IT IS THE
SINNER THAT WILL DIE [Revelation 21:8], AND WHEN THERE IS NO MORE
SINNER LEFT TO DIE THERE WILL BE NO MORE DEATH, NO MORE WILL BE
DYING. The wages of sin is death. It is the sinner who will be paid the wages of their
sin, which is death. They want to make death pay the wages of the sin of the sinner, and
the sinners pay nothing; THERE WOULD THEN BE NO DIFFERENCE IN A SINNER
AND A SAINT. Death is an enemy and will be destroyed, but Universalist make there
being "no more death" into a gateway to Heaven for all sinners, and God will forgive all
sins of the worst sinner even if they rejected Christ all their life. DOES DEATH MEAN
THE END OF LIFE or DOES DEATH MEAN THE BEGINNING OF ETERNAL
LIFE? Death, the last enemy will be abolished [1 Corinthians 15:26]; Universalist makes
the abolishment of death be a resurrection to eternal life of all the lost that are now the
enemies of Christ. John said of unbelievers and murderers, "Their part shall be in the
lake that burns with fire and brimstone; which IS THE SECOND DEATH," but the
Universalist changed this and say it is anyone being dead which will end, and all that
have "their part" in the lake will be made alive at the death of the lake of fire (which will
be the death of death)! DEATH MEANS THE END OF LIFE, NOT THE BEGINNING
OF AN IMMORTAL LIFE, but they must find a way to do away with the second death.
They believe the lost will be someplace, Hell or whatever name they give it, but not in
Heaven and will undergo an "attitude adjustments;" then they will have their name in the
book of life and never die, that the second death will be the end of death (the death of
death, not the death of the sinner); for death to end they believe that life and immortality
must be given to all and death being abolished must means eternal life in Heaven for all!
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β’ Universalist believes that "the fearful, and unbelieving, and abominable, and
murderers, and fornicators, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars" will
be made alive in Heaven and that death will be cast into the lake of fire and
there will be no more death.
β’ The Bible says, "the fearful, and unbelieving, and abominable, and
murderers, and fornicators, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, their
part shall be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone: which is the
second death" [Revelation 21:8]. Both death and the lost are cast into the lake
of fire [Revelation 20:14-15]; therefore, if the lake of fire is the end of death,
it is also the end of the lost.
[3] THE HELL PROBLEM
Gary Amirault, a Tentmaker Minister in an e-mail to me said, "Most universalists I know
who believe in 'age-during correction,' do NOT see it as God torturing people in a literal lake or anything
like that, they see it as simply correcting or teaching them further." If they call it Hell or something
else, they still have a place where the all the lost to go after the judgment for an "age."
They have made Hell into an age lasting place where the all the lost are corrected and
then go to Heaven. What if some would not repent then? Will God make them repent
against their will?
G. Jessup said, "We can be sure there will be judgment, punishment, corrections, or whatever kind
of 'attitude adjustments' necessary for the unbelievers according to their works, and for some it could be
very long and painfully excruciating: but forever?" He did not give one passage from the Bible to
prove this "attitude adjustment," and I cannot find where they try to prove it in any of
their writing. Maybe the reason they do not is that they know there is no proof. If they
had proof, I am sure they would use it in bold print. That there will be a second chance
after death is opposed to what is taught in the Bible.
[1] THEY MUST PROVE THAT ALL THE LOST ARE NOW ALIVE SOMEPLACE
OR WILL BE ALIVE THERE, THAT THERE IS SUCH A PLACE WHATEVER
NAME THEY GIVE IT.
[2] THAT THE LOST WILL BE THERE FOR ONLY AN "AGE" OF DISCIPLINARY
TRAINING.
[3] AND THAT ALL WILL REPENT AND WILL END UP IN HEAVEN.
They must disprove the "Hell" that many Protestants believe, but at the same time
prove there is some kind of a "Hell" that is "age lasting" and not eternal. As is shown in
the above quotation Universalist do not believe any will forever be in the lake of fire that
is not a literal lake of fire, and they do not believe the Protestant view of Gehenna;
therefore, they must prove that God will torment all who do not believe in Christ in this
lifetime, some for a short time, some will be tormented more, some tormented much
more extremely. G. Jessup says "We can be sure there will be judgment, punishment, corrections,
or whatever kind of 'attitude adjustments' necessary for the unbelievers according to their works, and for
some it could be very long and painfully excruciating." I have not seen where they say why there
will be a judgment. Maybe for God to decide how much He will have to torment them
and how much He will torment Satan and his demons to make them repent. Whatever
forms the Universalist says the torment will be, physical, mentally, or whatever, it would
still be God doing the tormenting.
UNIVERSALIST MUST PROVE THAT THERE WILL BE AN "AGE" OF
ATTITUDE ADJUSTMENT. They say there has been many "ages," and will be an "age"
434
after the resurrection in which "judgment, punishment, corrections, or whatever kind of 'attitude
adjustments' necessary for the unbelievers according to their works" takes place. They reason that
there must be such an age for those who do not come to Christ in this life must have a
time to come to Him. All must accept Christ, and most do not in this life. It is a made up
"age" which is not found in the Bible. Not one word about it. UNTIL THEY PROVE
THERE WILL BE SUCH AN "AGE," THEY ARE ON A MAKE BELIEVE
FOUNDATION. THERE IS NO PLACE CALLED HELL IN THE BIBLE, WHETHER
IT IS AN AGE LASTING ATTITUDE ADJUSTMENT, OR EVERLASTING LIFE
WITH TORMENT.
β’ PROTESTANTS CHANGED THE SECOND DEATH INTO ETERNAL LIFE
IN HELL FOR ALL THAT NEVER BELIEVED IN GOD.
β’ UNIVERSALIST CHANGED THE SECOND DEATH INTO A PLACE
WHERE ALL THAT NEVER BELIEVED IN GOD WILL SOME HOW BE
MADE BELIEVERS AND MOVED TO HEAVEN WITH ETERANL LIFE.
β’ BOTH MUST PROVE THE PLATONIC DOCTRINE THAT ALL ARE BORN
WITH A PART THAT IS NOT SUBJECT TO DEATH. Both the doctrine of Hell
and the Universalist doctrine that all will be saved are founded on an assumption
that a person has an immaterial, invisible, immortal part in them that cannot die,
and this immortal soul must live somewhere.
β’ BOTH MUST DENY THAT DEATH IS REAL AND THAT ANY WILL DIE.
Death cannot be the wages of sin for all will have the gift of eternal life; therefore,
no sinner can pay the wages of sin if it is death. Universalist point to this passage
to prove there is no Hell, but they do not believe it when it says, "the wages of sin
is death."
β’ BOTH MUST DENY THAT THE PENALTY OF SIN IS DEATH. The
Protestant does away with death by making it an eternal life of torment in Hell
separated from God; Universalist cannot have death being death or an eternal life
separated from God, therefore, they must do away with death. They try to do this
by making the end of death be eternal life in Heaven for all that have died. Both
turn death into life, but both do it in different ways. Both make the dead that are
not dead be living at different places. For both, if "the wages of sin is death," if
death is death, it would completely destroy both; therefore, both try to
destroy death by making death be life, but they do it in a different way.
Universalist take from the Platonic doctrine that when the soul is set free of the
body, the soul will in time return to God, death becomes the instrument of
salvation for all.
o According to one, the wages of sin is eternal life with torment.
o According to the other, the wages of sin is eternal life without torment
even to those who reject Christ.
β’ BOTH MUST DENY THAT DIE, PERISH, DESTROYED, LOST, AND
DEATH ARE NOT USED WITH THEIR TRUE MEANING, and must believe
that they are only used in a peculiar or theological sense, therefore, they could not
be understood without help from someone who is inspired. BOTH BELIEVE NO
ONE WILL EVER DIE. ACCORDING TO BOTH, "THE WAGES OF SIN IS
DEATH" TO NO ONE. Just as with innate immoralists, Universalist must
redefine many words, life, death, die, dead, destroy, perish, destruction,
435
consumed, kill, end, burned up, and sleep, must ALL be redefined in a way that
the world does not use them. See chapter two.
UNIVERSALIST USE OF "ALL"
immortality, to live forever in the spirit world." Even so, most Universalist seems to be as
unsure of what part of a person, soul or spirit, they think has immortality, as are most
Protestants who believe some part of a person is now immortal and can never die
therefore, this immortal part of a person must live forever somewhere. Universalist must
prove that Christ will give "eternal life" to all, even to those who do not come to Him
[John 5:40]. They know this and know that all will not come to Christ in this lifetime;
432
therefore, they have made up an "age" after the resurrection, which is not in the Bible, in
which they think all will come to Christ.
[2] THE DEATH PENALTY
They MUST do away with the Bible teaching on death. There can be no wages of sin,
as they believe there is no death. The only real difference with them and unconditional
immoralist is where their immortal souls will end up, (1) some in Heaven and some in
Hell, (2) or all in Heaven.
β’ Both must do away with death. Both must deny the Bible when it says, "The
wages of sin is death."
β’ Both believe, "You shall not surely die," that from the day of your birth you can
never be destroyed and it is not possible for you to die.
WILL THE SECOND DEATH MAKE ALL ALIVE, AS UNIVERSALIST
BELIEVES IT WILL? They teach after the second death, all will be made alive. Both
the good and the evil will be made alive, and both will then be immortal. They believe
that when death the last enemy is destroyed, no one can be dead. They think the end of
death must give life to all that are dead. All who die the second death will be alive and
have immortality. THE UNIVERSALIST BELIEVES THE SECOND DEATH TO BE
THE END OF DEATH, NOT THE END OF THE SINNER; THAT FOR DEATH TO
END ALL THAT WAS DEAD MUST BE MADE ALIVE FOR THEY BELIEVE
THAT AS LONG AS ANY ARE DEAD, IT CANNOT BE THE END OF DEATH.
They seem to think that when "death shall be no more" [Revelation 21:4] could only
mean that all who had died are raised from the dead, and all that ever lived would have to
be alive for if any were dead it could not be said there is no more death. IT IS THE
SINNER THAT WILL DIE [Revelation 21:8], AND WHEN THERE IS NO MORE
SINNER LEFT TO DIE THERE WILL BE NO MORE DEATH, NO MORE WILL BE
DYING. The wages of sin is death. It is the sinner who will be paid the wages of their
sin, which is death. They want to make death pay the wages of the sin of the sinner, and
the sinners pay nothing; THERE WOULD THEN BE NO DIFFERENCE IN A SINNER
AND A SAINT. Death is an enemy and will be destroyed, but Universalist make there
being "no more death" into a gateway to Heaven for all sinners, and God will forgive all
sins of the worst sinner even if they rejected Christ all their life. DOES DEATH MEAN
THE END OF LIFE or DOES DEATH MEAN THE BEGINNING OF ETERNAL
LIFE? Death, the last enemy will be abolished [1 Corinthians 15:26]; Universalist makes
the abolishment of death be a resurrection to eternal life of all the lost that are now the
enemies of Christ. John said of unbelievers and murderers, "Their part shall be in the
lake that burns with fire and brimstone; which IS THE SECOND DEATH," but the
Universalist changed this and say it is anyone being dead which will end, and all that
have "their part" in the lake will be made alive at the death of the lake of fire (which will
be the death of death)! DEATH MEANS THE END OF LIFE, NOT THE BEGINNING
OF AN IMMORTAL LIFE, but they must find a way to do away with the second death.
They believe the lost will be someplace, Hell or whatever name they give it, but not in
Heaven and will undergo an "attitude adjustments;" then they will have their name in the
book of life and never die, that the second death will be the end of death (the death of
death, not the death of the sinner); for death to end they believe that life and immortality
must be given to all and death being abolished must means eternal life in Heaven for all!
433
β’ Universalist believes that "the fearful, and unbelieving, and abominable, and
murderers, and fornicators, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars" will
be made alive in Heaven and that death will be cast into the lake of fire and
there will be no more death.
β’ The Bible says, "the fearful, and unbelieving, and abominable, and
murderers, and fornicators, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, their
part shall be in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone: which is the
second death" [Revelation 21:8]. Both death and the lost are cast into the lake
of fire [Revelation 20:14-15]; therefore, if the lake of fire is the end of death,
it is also the end of the lost.
[3] THE HELL PROBLEM
Gary Amirault, a Tentmaker Minister in an e-mail to me said, "Most universalists I know
who believe in 'age-during correction,' do NOT see it as God torturing people in a literal lake or anything
like that, they see it as simply correcting or teaching them further." If they call it Hell or something
else, they still have a place where the all the lost to go after the judgment for an "age."
They have made Hell into an age lasting place where the all the lost are corrected and
then go to Heaven. What if some would not repent then? Will God make them repent
against their will?
G. Jessup said, "We can be sure there will be judgment, punishment, corrections, or whatever kind
of 'attitude adjustments' necessary for the unbelievers according to their works, and for some it could be
very long and painfully excruciating: but forever?" He did not give one passage from the Bible to
prove this "attitude adjustment," and I cannot find where they try to prove it in any of
their writing. Maybe the reason they do not is that they know there is no proof. If they
had proof, I am sure they would use it in bold print. That there will be a second chance
after death is opposed to what is taught in the Bible.
[1] THEY MUST PROVE THAT ALL THE LOST ARE NOW ALIVE SOMEPLACE
OR WILL BE ALIVE THERE, THAT THERE IS SUCH A PLACE WHATEVER
NAME THEY GIVE IT.
[2] THAT THE LOST WILL BE THERE FOR ONLY AN "AGE" OF DISCIPLINARY
TRAINING.
[3] AND THAT ALL WILL REPENT AND WILL END UP IN HEAVEN.
They must disprove the "Hell" that many Protestants believe, but at the same time
prove there is some kind of a "Hell" that is "age lasting" and not eternal. As is shown in
the above quotation Universalist do not believe any will forever be in the lake of fire that
is not a literal lake of fire, and they do not believe the Protestant view of Gehenna;
therefore, they must prove that God will torment all who do not believe in Christ in this
lifetime, some for a short time, some will be tormented more, some tormented much
more extremely. G. Jessup says "We can be sure there will be judgment, punishment, corrections,
or whatever kind of 'attitude adjustments' necessary for the unbelievers according to their works, and for
some it could be very long and painfully excruciating." I have not seen where they say why there
will be a judgment. Maybe for God to decide how much He will have to torment them
and how much He will torment Satan and his demons to make them repent. Whatever
forms the Universalist says the torment will be, physical, mentally, or whatever, it would
still be God doing the tormenting.
UNIVERSALIST MUST PROVE THAT THERE WILL BE AN "AGE" OF
ATTITUDE ADJUSTMENT. They say there has been many "ages," and will be an "age"
434
after the resurrection in which "judgment, punishment, corrections, or whatever kind of 'attitude
adjustments' necessary for the unbelievers according to their works" takes place. They reason that
there must be such an age for those who do not come to Christ in this life must have a
time to come to Him. All must accept Christ, and most do not in this life. It is a made up
"age" which is not found in the Bible. Not one word about it. UNTIL THEY PROVE
THERE WILL BE SUCH AN "AGE," THEY ARE ON A MAKE BELIEVE
FOUNDATION. THERE IS NO PLACE CALLED HELL IN THE BIBLE, WHETHER
IT IS AN AGE LASTING ATTITUDE ADJUSTMENT, OR EVERLASTING LIFE
WITH TORMENT.
β’ PROTESTANTS CHANGED THE SECOND DEATH INTO ETERNAL LIFE
IN HELL FOR ALL THAT NEVER BELIEVED IN GOD.
β’ UNIVERSALIST CHANGED THE SECOND DEATH INTO A PLACE
WHERE ALL THAT NEVER BELIEVED IN GOD WILL SOME HOW BE
MADE BELIEVERS AND MOVED TO HEAVEN WITH ETERANL LIFE.
β’ BOTH MUST PROVE THE PLATONIC DOCTRINE THAT ALL ARE BORN
WITH A PART THAT IS NOT SUBJECT TO DEATH. Both the doctrine of Hell
and the Universalist doctrine that all will be saved are founded on an assumption
that a person has an immaterial, invisible, immortal part in them that cannot die,
and this immortal soul must live somewhere.
β’ BOTH MUST DENY THAT DEATH IS REAL AND THAT ANY WILL DIE.
Death cannot be the wages of sin for all will have the gift of eternal life; therefore,
no sinner can pay the wages of sin if it is death. Universalist point to this passage
to prove there is no Hell, but they do not believe it when it says, "the wages of sin
is death."
β’ BOTH MUST DENY THAT THE PENALTY OF SIN IS DEATH. The
Protestant does away with death by making it an eternal life of torment in Hell
separated from God; Universalist cannot have death being death or an eternal life
separated from God, therefore, they must do away with death. They try to do this
by making the end of death be eternal life in Heaven for all that have died. Both
turn death into life, but both do it in different ways. Both make the dead that are
not dead be living at different places. For both, if "the wages of sin is death," if
death is death, it would completely destroy both; therefore, both try to
destroy death by making death be life, but they do it in a different way.
Universalist take from the Platonic doctrine that when the soul is set free of the
body, the soul will in time return to God, death becomes the instrument of
salvation for all.
o According to one, the wages of sin is eternal life with torment.
o According to the other, the wages of sin is eternal life without torment
even to those who reject Christ.
β’ BOTH MUST DENY THAT DIE, PERISH, DESTROYED, LOST, AND
DEATH ARE NOT USED WITH THEIR TRUE MEANING, and must believe
that they are only used in a peculiar or theological sense, therefore, they could not
be understood without help from someone who is inspired. BOTH BELIEVE NO
ONE WILL EVER DIE. ACCORDING TO BOTH, "THE WAGES OF SIN IS
DEATH" TO NO ONE. Just as with innate immoralists, Universalist must
redefine many words, life, death, die, dead, destroy, perish, destruction,
435
consumed, kill, end, burned up, and sleep, must ALL be redefined in a way that
the world does not use them. See chapter two.
UNIVERSALIST USE OF "ALL"
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