Immortality or Resurrection (Updated) by William West (ereader with dictionary .txt) π
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What is a man? Is a person born with an immortal soul, or do the saved put on immortality at the resurrection? Is a person a three part being, an animal body with both a soul and a spirit that will live without the body? This is one of the most important questions of all time. It has more influence on our conception of our nature, our view of life in this world and life after death than any other question.
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/> 2. "Then all that are in Christ" are raised AT THEIR DEATH, and Paul was wrong
when he said, "AT HIS COMING."
But in truth the order has been changed to:
1. The dead in the Old Testament were raised AT THEIR DEATH, before Christ
and without His resurrection.
2. Therefore, Christ was not the first-fruits
3. "Then all that are in Christ" are raised AT THEIR DEATH, and Paul was wrong
both times. Wrong when he said Christ was the first-fruits and wrong when he
said, "they that are Christ's AT HIS COMING."
DO YOU BELIEVE MAN OR GOD?
Unto His coming, CHRIST IS THE ONLY ONE WHO HAS BEEN RAISED FROM
THE DEAD, all others are still asleep in Christ (dead) and will be dead unto the
resurrection. But many say, "Not so Paul, all the dead in Christ are alive and in Heaven
before the resurrection"? BOTH CANNOT BE RIGHT. IF THOSE WHO TEACH THE
DEAD IN CHRIST INSTANTLY GO TO HEAVEN AT DEATH AND TAKE UP
RESIDENCE IN THEIR PERMANENT RESIDENCE ARE RIGHT, THEN PAUL DID
NOT SPEAK THE TRUTH AND THERE CANNOT BE A RESURRECTION AT THE
COMING OF CHRIST FOR ALL ARE RAISED AND GO TO HEAVEN AT THEIR
DEATH.
Many believe that the living saints will be changed from their earthly bodies into
spiritual bodies at the coming of Christ, but the dead saints who now have spiritual bodies
will come back from Heaven and put back on their earthly bodies at the resurrection. DO
THEY THINK WE ARE A SPIRIT NOW, BUT WILL BE A SPIRITUAL BODY
AFTER THE RESURRECTION?
Can you imagine such a thing as people standing before God clothed with white robes
and praising God, but they have no body? It is inconceivable. A thin air nothing cannot
wear a robe or speak to praise God. If this earthly body "the body of our humiliation" that
shall be fashioned anew "that it may be conformed to the body of his glory" shall be a thin
air ghost with no body, then it would make Christ also be a thin air nothing. How can
nothing have "glory"? How can thin air nothing be like anything "conformed"
["fashioned" King James Version]? There would be nothing to "conform" to anything.
Mary Magdalene had seven evil demons or evil spirits cast out of her [Luke 8:2;
Mark 16:9]. One man had a legion of demons in him [Luke 8:26-36]. They were spiritual
being that were known about by the person they were in and by those who knew them.
Evil spirits are beings that are completely separate beings from the being they are in. To
make a person have a "spirit" that would be the same as an evil spirit that is a completely
separate being, just as separate a being as an evil spirit in Mary Magdalene were not in
any way her. We now have a "natural body" and after the resurrection will have a
"spiritual body." Do evil spirits have a body? If God, angels and evil spirits have no
substance of any kind, if they are nothing but thoughts with no body, there can not be a
"spiritual body" [1 Corinthians 15:44]. This being in us would now be like the angels but
Christ said we will be βas angelsβ in the resurrection, but we are not now βas angelsβ
[Matthew 22:30]. Though we can now know only of material substances of this earth
does not mean there is no spiritual substances. If there were not, there could be no
Heaven and no spiritual body; just as this earth is a real place made up of real substance,
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Heaven is a real place and spiritual being are real being. We are not now a spirit as the
angels and demons are and will not be unto the resurrection. We may not understand how
God, Christ and the Spirit dwell in us, nor how evil spirits can be in a person but the fact
that they do does not make them be nothing but thoughts with no substance as Robert A.
Peterson says they are in βHell On Trial.β Does not make all spiritual being be nothing
but thin air, they have a body that has substance though not earthly substance that we can
see with our natural eyes.
Guardian of Truth (Page 254, 1994 "In 1 Thess 4:13-18...Paul deals with one-half of the resurrection."
He is speaking only of those in Christ and says nothing about those not in Christ. This is
also true of most of 1 Corinthians 15 "They that are Christ's at His coming" 15:23. The
lost will not be "raised in glory" 15:43, in "power" 15:43, or in "the image of the
heavenly" (Christ) 15:49. CAN YOU FIND ONE THING SAID ABOUT THE BODY
OF THE LOST AFTER THE JUDGMENT? WHAT WILL IT BE LIKE?
β’ Will their body be in the image of Christ when they are in Hell?
β’ Will their body still be in the image of Adam when they are in Hell?
β’ Will God give the lost a spiritual immortal body only so He can torment them
forever?
The doctrine of eternal torment makes the whole Bible need to be rewrote.
β’ "Wages is sin is death" [Romans 623] must be rewrote to be, "Wages of sin is an
eternal life of torment"
β’ "You shall surely die" [Genesis 2:16-17] must be rewrote to be, "You shall surely
suffer eternal torment in Hell"
β’ "Through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin" [Romans
5:12] must be rewrote to be, "Through one man sin entered into the world, eternal
Hell through sin"
β’ "For God so loved the world, that whosoever believes on him should not perish"
[John 3:16] must be rewrote to be, "For God so loved the world, that whosoever
believes on him should not go to Hell"
MAKES 1 CORINTHIANS 15 IMPOSSIBLE by teaching that we are immortal and
have incorruption from birth. We cannot put on that which we now have on. If we have
an immortal "immaterial, invisible part of man," (W. E. Vine) which cannot die, then
Paul's argument in 1 Corinthians 15 to prove there is a resurrection is destroyed. If they
had a spirit that could not die, they had not perished, and could not perish.
MAKES PAUL'S "CHANGED" IMPOSSIBLE 1 Corinthians 15:51. If a person
now has an immortal incorruptible soul, it cannot be "changed." It is "us" not just a part
of "us" that will come forth from the grave "changed." If a "soul" were now immortal, it
could not be "changed" from mortal to immortal, it could not "put on immorality" at the
resurrection. We do not have immortality before the resurrection. The doctrine of
immortality from birth makes the soul now have incorruption. Paul says, "This mortal
must put on immortality" 1 Corinthians 15:53. "THIS MORTAL" is what will put on
immortality, not a soul that now has immortality. It is not some inter immaterial,
invisible part of us that is now immortal, and can never die, which shall be raised from
the dead and "changed," but it is "us" that will be "changed" at our resurrection.
MAKES TREE OF LIFE NOT NEEDED Genesis 3:22-24: If a person is immortal,
he cannot die. He will live forever somewhere, on earth or wherever. A person moving
from earth too wherever; and having more joy, more power, more blessing, etc., when he
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gets there than he has while he is in this body, then it would not be a death. Without the
tree of life, he will always live for he would be immortal and cannot die.
MAKES THE BIBLE CONTRADICT THE BIBLE. A soul that cannot die-
VERSUS-death, perish, destroy, lost, end. If the wages of sin is death, there cannot be an
eternal life of torment. By misusing some scriptures, those who teach men have a soul
that can never die, makes the Bible contradict itself.
IT MAYBE A DELUSION TO SOME 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12, "And with all the
deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the
truth so as to be saved. And for this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence
so that they might believe what is false, in order that they all may be judged who did not
believe the truth." The delusion can be any doctrine of man that is not the truth. HOW
BIG A LIE AND HOW MANY LIES CAN YOU BELIEVE AND STILL SAY YOU
BELIEVE CHRIST? Where do you draw the line on how much error you can believe?
Some believe there is no line, and God will accept anything as worship. Some believe
God will accept worship only if it is by faith, which comes from hearing His word
[Romans 10:17; 14:23].
β’ Most do not believe Pagan worship is acceptable to God.
β’ Many do not believe worshiping the Pope, or a saint is acceptable to God.
β’ Many do not believe infant baptism and sprinkling are acceptable to God.
β’ Many do not believe having many wives is acceptable to God.
β’ Many do not believe the error of an immortal soul at birth, which is the
foundation of many other errors; and the doctrine of Hell, which makes God more
sadistic than any other being, to be acceptable to God.
Worshiping after the doctrines and precepts of men is not acceptable to God [Matthew
15:9]. Not in the time of Christ and not today. If something is not clearly taught in the
Bible, you cannot say that something is of faith that comes by hearing [Romans 10:17; 2
Corinthians 5:7]. The truth shall make you free [John 8:32]. Can anyone who believes
any of Satan's lies over God's word be made free by the truth? WHAT YOU BELIEVE
AND TEACH CAN BE A DELUSION AND THE DIFFERENCE IN WHETHER YOU
LIVE OR DIE AT THE JUDGMENT IF YOU MAKES GOD MORE SADISTIC AND
EVIL THAN SATAN.
MAKES MODERN SPIRITUALISM POSSIBLE. The teaching, that a person is
conscious after death, makes it possible and even probable that spirits can and do return
to earth and speak to us. This has prepared the way for spiritualism. Satan may be using
this to send his angels with lies to lead those who go to spiritualists into his way and keep
them from the truth of God. If the truth, that all mankind are asleep from death to the
resurrection, were believed, and not the pagan doctrine, then spiritualism would not be
possible. If Mary is asleep then the appearances of her ghost are the manifestations of a
demon that makes many believe a lie. Satan is using spiritualism to make many believe
his lie, "You shall not surely die."
MAKES SOME BELIEVE IN "AFTER DEATH EXPERIENCES," AND
MAKES THEM BELIEVABLE TO MANY. If a person has a soul, which does not die
when the body dies, it makes it possible for some to believe a person can come back and
tell things they saw on the other side of death. The truth, that a person is "asleep" from
death unto the resurrection, and has no knowledge in the grave [Ecclesiastes 9:10] makes
"after death experiences" impossible and unbelievable. A person who is asleep unto the
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resurrection has no afterlife experiences to tell us. In the many after death experiences I
have read, no two are the same.
Not to take anything away from the power of Satan in the world, or his danger to us
[see 1 Peter 5:8 etc.], but by making him be an eternal being, and the eternal ruler over
Hell; he is being given a power he does not have, which may add to his being worshiped
by many. Some seem to think that to exist in torment with Satan over them may be better
than not to exist, and they worship the one who they think will
when he said, "AT HIS COMING."
But in truth the order has been changed to:
1. The dead in the Old Testament were raised AT THEIR DEATH, before Christ
and without His resurrection.
2. Therefore, Christ was not the first-fruits
3. "Then all that are in Christ" are raised AT THEIR DEATH, and Paul was wrong
both times. Wrong when he said Christ was the first-fruits and wrong when he
said, "they that are Christ's AT HIS COMING."
DO YOU BELIEVE MAN OR GOD?
Unto His coming, CHRIST IS THE ONLY ONE WHO HAS BEEN RAISED FROM
THE DEAD, all others are still asleep in Christ (dead) and will be dead unto the
resurrection. But many say, "Not so Paul, all the dead in Christ are alive and in Heaven
before the resurrection"? BOTH CANNOT BE RIGHT. IF THOSE WHO TEACH THE
DEAD IN CHRIST INSTANTLY GO TO HEAVEN AT DEATH AND TAKE UP
RESIDENCE IN THEIR PERMANENT RESIDENCE ARE RIGHT, THEN PAUL DID
NOT SPEAK THE TRUTH AND THERE CANNOT BE A RESURRECTION AT THE
COMING OF CHRIST FOR ALL ARE RAISED AND GO TO HEAVEN AT THEIR
DEATH.
Many believe that the living saints will be changed from their earthly bodies into
spiritual bodies at the coming of Christ, but the dead saints who now have spiritual bodies
will come back from Heaven and put back on their earthly bodies at the resurrection. DO
THEY THINK WE ARE A SPIRIT NOW, BUT WILL BE A SPIRITUAL BODY
AFTER THE RESURRECTION?
Can you imagine such a thing as people standing before God clothed with white robes
and praising God, but they have no body? It is inconceivable. A thin air nothing cannot
wear a robe or speak to praise God. If this earthly body "the body of our humiliation" that
shall be fashioned anew "that it may be conformed to the body of his glory" shall be a thin
air ghost with no body, then it would make Christ also be a thin air nothing. How can
nothing have "glory"? How can thin air nothing be like anything "conformed"
["fashioned" King James Version]? There would be nothing to "conform" to anything.
Mary Magdalene had seven evil demons or evil spirits cast out of her [Luke 8:2;
Mark 16:9]. One man had a legion of demons in him [Luke 8:26-36]. They were spiritual
being that were known about by the person they were in and by those who knew them.
Evil spirits are beings that are completely separate beings from the being they are in. To
make a person have a "spirit" that would be the same as an evil spirit that is a completely
separate being, just as separate a being as an evil spirit in Mary Magdalene were not in
any way her. We now have a "natural body" and after the resurrection will have a
"spiritual body." Do evil spirits have a body? If God, angels and evil spirits have no
substance of any kind, if they are nothing but thoughts with no body, there can not be a
"spiritual body" [1 Corinthians 15:44]. This being in us would now be like the angels but
Christ said we will be βas angelsβ in the resurrection, but we are not now βas angelsβ
[Matthew 22:30]. Though we can now know only of material substances of this earth
does not mean there is no spiritual substances. If there were not, there could be no
Heaven and no spiritual body; just as this earth is a real place made up of real substance,
197
Heaven is a real place and spiritual being are real being. We are not now a spirit as the
angels and demons are and will not be unto the resurrection. We may not understand how
God, Christ and the Spirit dwell in us, nor how evil spirits can be in a person but the fact
that they do does not make them be nothing but thoughts with no substance as Robert A.
Peterson says they are in βHell On Trial.β Does not make all spiritual being be nothing
but thin air, they have a body that has substance though not earthly substance that we can
see with our natural eyes.
Guardian of Truth (Page 254, 1994 "In 1 Thess 4:13-18...Paul deals with one-half of the resurrection."
He is speaking only of those in Christ and says nothing about those not in Christ. This is
also true of most of 1 Corinthians 15 "They that are Christ's at His coming" 15:23. The
lost will not be "raised in glory" 15:43, in "power" 15:43, or in "the image of the
heavenly" (Christ) 15:49. CAN YOU FIND ONE THING SAID ABOUT THE BODY
OF THE LOST AFTER THE JUDGMENT? WHAT WILL IT BE LIKE?
β’ Will their body be in the image of Christ when they are in Hell?
β’ Will their body still be in the image of Adam when they are in Hell?
β’ Will God give the lost a spiritual immortal body only so He can torment them
forever?
The doctrine of eternal torment makes the whole Bible need to be rewrote.
β’ "Wages is sin is death" [Romans 623] must be rewrote to be, "Wages of sin is an
eternal life of torment"
β’ "You shall surely die" [Genesis 2:16-17] must be rewrote to be, "You shall surely
suffer eternal torment in Hell"
β’ "Through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin" [Romans
5:12] must be rewrote to be, "Through one man sin entered into the world, eternal
Hell through sin"
β’ "For God so loved the world, that whosoever believes on him should not perish"
[John 3:16] must be rewrote to be, "For God so loved the world, that whosoever
believes on him should not go to Hell"
MAKES 1 CORINTHIANS 15 IMPOSSIBLE by teaching that we are immortal and
have incorruption from birth. We cannot put on that which we now have on. If we have
an immortal "immaterial, invisible part of man," (W. E. Vine) which cannot die, then
Paul's argument in 1 Corinthians 15 to prove there is a resurrection is destroyed. If they
had a spirit that could not die, they had not perished, and could not perish.
MAKES PAUL'S "CHANGED" IMPOSSIBLE 1 Corinthians 15:51. If a person
now has an immortal incorruptible soul, it cannot be "changed." It is "us" not just a part
of "us" that will come forth from the grave "changed." If a "soul" were now immortal, it
could not be "changed" from mortal to immortal, it could not "put on immorality" at the
resurrection. We do not have immortality before the resurrection. The doctrine of
immortality from birth makes the soul now have incorruption. Paul says, "This mortal
must put on immortality" 1 Corinthians 15:53. "THIS MORTAL" is what will put on
immortality, not a soul that now has immortality. It is not some inter immaterial,
invisible part of us that is now immortal, and can never die, which shall be raised from
the dead and "changed," but it is "us" that will be "changed" at our resurrection.
MAKES TREE OF LIFE NOT NEEDED Genesis 3:22-24: If a person is immortal,
he cannot die. He will live forever somewhere, on earth or wherever. A person moving
from earth too wherever; and having more joy, more power, more blessing, etc., when he
198
gets there than he has while he is in this body, then it would not be a death. Without the
tree of life, he will always live for he would be immortal and cannot die.
MAKES THE BIBLE CONTRADICT THE BIBLE. A soul that cannot die-
VERSUS-death, perish, destroy, lost, end. If the wages of sin is death, there cannot be an
eternal life of torment. By misusing some scriptures, those who teach men have a soul
that can never die, makes the Bible contradict itself.
IT MAYBE A DELUSION TO SOME 2 Thessalonians 2:9-12, "And with all the
deception of wickedness for those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the
truth so as to be saved. And for this reason God will send upon them a deluding influence
so that they might believe what is false, in order that they all may be judged who did not
believe the truth." The delusion can be any doctrine of man that is not the truth. HOW
BIG A LIE AND HOW MANY LIES CAN YOU BELIEVE AND STILL SAY YOU
BELIEVE CHRIST? Where do you draw the line on how much error you can believe?
Some believe there is no line, and God will accept anything as worship. Some believe
God will accept worship only if it is by faith, which comes from hearing His word
[Romans 10:17; 14:23].
β’ Most do not believe Pagan worship is acceptable to God.
β’ Many do not believe worshiping the Pope, or a saint is acceptable to God.
β’ Many do not believe infant baptism and sprinkling are acceptable to God.
β’ Many do not believe having many wives is acceptable to God.
β’ Many do not believe the error of an immortal soul at birth, which is the
foundation of many other errors; and the doctrine of Hell, which makes God more
sadistic than any other being, to be acceptable to God.
Worshiping after the doctrines and precepts of men is not acceptable to God [Matthew
15:9]. Not in the time of Christ and not today. If something is not clearly taught in the
Bible, you cannot say that something is of faith that comes by hearing [Romans 10:17; 2
Corinthians 5:7]. The truth shall make you free [John 8:32]. Can anyone who believes
any of Satan's lies over God's word be made free by the truth? WHAT YOU BELIEVE
AND TEACH CAN BE A DELUSION AND THE DIFFERENCE IN WHETHER YOU
LIVE OR DIE AT THE JUDGMENT IF YOU MAKES GOD MORE SADISTIC AND
EVIL THAN SATAN.
MAKES MODERN SPIRITUALISM POSSIBLE. The teaching, that a person is
conscious after death, makes it possible and even probable that spirits can and do return
to earth and speak to us. This has prepared the way for spiritualism. Satan may be using
this to send his angels with lies to lead those who go to spiritualists into his way and keep
them from the truth of God. If the truth, that all mankind are asleep from death to the
resurrection, were believed, and not the pagan doctrine, then spiritualism would not be
possible. If Mary is asleep then the appearances of her ghost are the manifestations of a
demon that makes many believe a lie. Satan is using spiritualism to make many believe
his lie, "You shall not surely die."
MAKES SOME BELIEVE IN "AFTER DEATH EXPERIENCES," AND
MAKES THEM BELIEVABLE TO MANY. If a person has a soul, which does not die
when the body dies, it makes it possible for some to believe a person can come back and
tell things they saw on the other side of death. The truth, that a person is "asleep" from
death unto the resurrection, and has no knowledge in the grave [Ecclesiastes 9:10] makes
"after death experiences" impossible and unbelievable. A person who is asleep unto the
199
resurrection has no afterlife experiences to tell us. In the many after death experiences I
have read, no two are the same.
Not to take anything away from the power of Satan in the world, or his danger to us
[see 1 Peter 5:8 etc.], but by making him be an eternal being, and the eternal ruler over
Hell; he is being given a power he does not have, which may add to his being worshiped
by many. Some seem to think that to exist in torment with Satan over them may be better
than not to exist, and they worship the one who they think will
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