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An Immortal Soul and the Doctrine of Hell
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An Immortal Soul and the Doctrine of Hell
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one passage that speaks of "departed spirits." Do they out of thin air come up with both a place and departed spirits to put in that place? They manufacture terms and use them as if they were Biblical and expect all others to accept their manufactured terms without question.
If Jacob were going to Heaven at death, why did he say he was going DOWN to his son IN SORROW? If he were going to Heaven, he should have said he was going UP to his son REJOICING. Those today who speak of going to Heaven always speak of going UP, never DOWN, and never speak of there being SORROW in Heaven.
(5) Job 14:13 "O that you would hide ME in the GRAVE [sheol-Hell], that you would keep ME secret, until your wrath be past, that you would appoint me a set time, and remember ME!" Job was in so much pain that he was asking God let him die, he wanted to go to the grave-sheol [Hell] for relief from his sufferings, but today's Hell is incomparably worse than the suffering he wanted relief from. The translators did not dare to make this Hell for them they would have Job asking to go to Hell for relief from his sufferings. "There is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man" [Job 1:8] asking to go to "Hell" to escape his sufferings. Those who believe in Hell teach the sufferings in it are much worse than anything in this life. Job certainly would not have wanted to escape from the painful time he was having by going to a place much more painful, a place where there would be no end to suffering. "Why died I not from the womb? Why did I not give up the ghost when my mother bare me? Why did the knees receive me, or why the breasts, that I should suck? For now should I have lain down and been quiet; I would have slept; then had I been at rest ... There the wicked cease from troubling: and there the weary are at rest" [Job 3:11-17]. Beyond any doubt, Job did not know about or believe in Hell as it is taught today. Job did not want to go to today's Hell and be tormented; he wanted to go the "grave" to avoid the torment he was in. WHY IS IT THAT NO PREACHER WHO BELIEVES IN "HELL" NEVER SPEAKS OF "HELL" IN THE WAY JOB DID? THE ANSWER IS SIMPLE, SHEOL DID NOT MEAN A PLACE OF TORMENT, BUT A PLACE OF REST, AND THOSE WHO PREACH "HELL FIRE" TODAY JUST DO NOT BELIEVE JOB.
(6) Job 17:13 "If I wait, the GRAVE [sheol-Hell] is my house: I have made my bed in darkness. I have said to corruption, you are my father: to the worm, you are my mother, and my sister. And where is my hope? As for my hope, who shall see it? They shall go down to the bars of the PIT [sheol-Hell], when our rest together is in the dust." It was clear even to the King James translators that Job was not saying Hell was gong to be his bed. He gives a description of the corruption and maggots of the grave. An undeniable statement that the grave was to be his house, not Heaven, Hell, or Abraham's bosom; he had no thought of being eternally tortured in the Dark Age Hell, but all of both the good and the bad are resting together in the dust. Death is never said to be a gateway to Heaven. It is described as a place of darkness and forgetfulness. In the same passage they translated the same word, sheol, into both grave and pit.
• Verse 13: "If I wait, the GRAVE [sheol-Hell] is my HOUSE" A house is an abode, not a place of torment.
• Verse 13: "I have made my BED in DARKNESS." The darkness of the grave. Is a place of fire or darkness?
• Verse 14: "I have said to CORRUPTION, you are my father." Corruption is in the grave.
• Verse 14: "To the WORM, you are my mother, and my sister." The worms that eat dead bodies are in the grave.
• Verse 16: "They shall go down to the bars of the PIT [sheol-Hell], when our REST together IS IN THE DUST." There is no rest in the "Hell" that is taught today, and I know of none that think "Hell" is in the dust of the earth [Job 17:13-16].
(7) Psalms 30:3 "O lord, you have brought up my soul from the GRAVE [sheol-Hell]: you have kept me alive, that I should not go down to the pit." David was not saying he had been dead and his soul was in Hell. God had saved him from his foes and death, therefore, saved him from going to the grave. He did not come back from Hell. He was expressing his gratitude for his recovery, not being brought back from Heaven or Hell. "You have kept me alive, that I should not go down to the pit" and "you have brought up my soul from the grave" is Hebrew dualism where the same thing is said in two ways. In verse nine David said, “What profit is there in my blood, if I go down to the pit? Will the dust praise you? Will it declare Your fullness?” The dust of the dead is in the grave. This is Hebrew dualism where the same thing is said in two ways. David who was not dead but was giving thinks to God for saving him and keeping him alive said:
1. “O lord, you have brought up my soul from the GRAVE [sheol]”
2. “You have kept me alive, that I should not go down to the PIT [bohr]”
Grave [sheol] and pit [bohr] are parallel. What is the meaning of pit [bohr] in the Old Testament; it is used 69 times and in the King James Version is translated: pit 42 times, dungeon 13 times, well 9 times, cistern 4 times and fountain 1 time. All except maybe fountain, which would have been better translated well or cistern, means a hole in the ground does; (a grave, pit or well which was dug by man or a natural pit - hole) not a place where an immaterial, invisible something that is in a person would go down to, and not a chamber someplace under ground where all souls are kept together unto the resurrection are a chamber that has two sides, one side for the saved and one side for the lost.
PIT (bohr), which is used in Hebrew parallelism or dualism as being parallel in meaning to GRAVE (sheol) is a hole in the ground and was a pit or well that was sometimes dug by man.
“Cast him (Joseph) into some pit (bohr)” Genesis 37:20
“Cast him into this pit (bohr)” Genesis 37:22
“Cast him into a pit (bohr): and the pit (bohr) was…” Genesis 37:24
“Reuben returned unto the pit (bohr); and behold, Joseph was not in the pit (bohr)” Genesis 37:29
“Should put me into the dungeon (bohr)” Genesis 40:15
“Brought him hastily out of the dungeon (bohr)” Genesis 41:14
“The captive that was in the dungeon (bohr)” Exodus 12:29
“Open a pit (bohr), or if a man shall dig a pit (bohr)” Exodus 12:33
“The owner of the pit (bohr) shall make” Exodus 21:34
“Nevertheless a fountain or pit (bohr)” Leviticus 11:36
“And wells (bohr) dug” Deuteronomy 6:1
“In high places, and in pits (bohr)” 1 Samuel 13:6
“Came to a great well (bohr)” 1 Samuel 19:22
“Brought him again from the well (bohr)” 2 Samuel 3:26
“The water of the well (bohr) of Bethlehem” 2 Samuel 23:15
“Drew water out of the well (bohr)” 2 Samuel 23:16
“In the midst of a pit (bohr) in time” 2 Samuel 23:20
“Slew them at the pit (bohr) of the shearing house” 2 Kings 10:14
“The water of his cistern (bohr)” 2 Kings 18:31
“The water of the well (bohr) of Bethlehem” 1 Chronicles 11:17
“Drew water out of the well (bohr) of Bethlehem” 1 Chronicles 11:18
“Slew a lion in a pit (bohr)” 1 Chronicles 11:22
“Dug many wells (bohr)” 2 Chronicles 26:10
“Wells (bohr) dug” Nehemiah 9:25
“He made a pit (bohr), and dug it” Psalms 7:15-16
“Them that go down into the pit (bohr)” Psalms 28:l
“That I should not go down into the pit (bohr)” Psalms 30:3
“Out of an horrible pit (bohr)” Psalms 40:2
“Them that go down into the pit (bohr)…like the slain who lie in the grave” Psalms 88:4-5
“You have laid me in the lowest pit (bohr)” Psalms 88:6
“Them that do down into the pit (bohr)” Psalms 143:7
“As those that go down into the pit (bohr)” Proverbs 1:12
“Drink waters out of your own cistern (bohr)” Proverbs 5:15
“Person shall flee to the pit (bohr)” Proverbs 28:17
“Or the wheel broken at the cistern (bohr)” Ecclesiastes 12:6
“To the sides of the pit (bohr)” Isaiah 14:15
“That go down to the stones of the pit (bohr)” Isaiah 14:19
“Prisoners are gathered in the pit (bohr)” Isaiah 24:22
“The waters of his own cistern (bohr)” Isaiah 36:16
“They that go down into the pit (bohr)” Isaiah 38:18
“To the hole of the pit (bohr)” Isaiah 51:1
“As a fountain (bohr) cast out” Jeremiah 6:7
“Into the dungeon (bohr)” Jeremiah 37:16
“Cast him into the dungeon (bohr)” Jeremiah 38:6
“And in the dungeon (bohr) there was no” Jeremiah 38:6
“Had put Jeremiah in the dungeon (bohr)” Jeremiah 38:7
“They have cast into the dungeon (bohr)” Jeremiah 38:9
“The prophet out of the dungeon (bohr)” Jeremiah 38:10
“Down by cords into the dungeon (bohr)” Jeremiah 38:11
“Took him up out of the dungeon (bohr)” Jeremiah 38:13
“Into the midst of the pit (bohr)” Jeremiah 41:7
“Now the pit (bohr) wherein Ishmael” Jeremiah 41:9
“Cut off my life in the dungeon (bohr)” Lamentations 3:53
“Out of the low dungeon (bohr)” Lamentations 3:55
“With them that descend into the pit (bohr)” Ezekiel 26:20
“With them that go down to the pit (bohr)” Ezekiel 26:20
“With them that go down to the pit (bohr)” Ezekiel 31:14
“With them that descend into the pit (bohr)” Ezekiel 31:16
“With them that go down into the pit (bohr)” Ezekiel 32:18
“Set in the sides of the pit (bohr)” Ezekiel 32:23
“With them that go down to the pit (bohr)” Ezekiel 32:24; 32:25; 32:29; 32:30
“Sent forth your prisoners out of the pit (bohr)” Zechariah 9:11
In Psalms 30:9 David spoke of going down to the pit, but used ghath, which is translated much the same way as bohr, pit 13 times, ditch 2 times, grave 1 time, corruption 4 times and destruction 2 times in the King James Version.
1. “That I should not go down to the PIT (bohr)” verse 2
2. “You have brought up my soul (Nshahmah – life) from the GRAVE [sheol]” verse 3
3. “When I go down to the PIT (ghath)” verse 9
Sheol, bohr and ghath are also used by in Isaiah 38:17-18.
• “Behold, for peace I had great bitterness: but you have in love to my soul (Nshahmah – life) delivered it from the PIT (ghath) of corruptionfor you have cast all my sins behind your back. For the GRAVE (sheol) cannot praise you, death cannot celebrate you: they that go down into the PIT (bohr) cannot hope for your truth”
His life was delivered from the pit of corruption, the grave for the grave cannot praise God; the pit of corruption and the grave are the same, corruption is in the grave but there could be no corruption in a chamber
If Jacob were going to Heaven at death, why did he say he was going DOWN to his son IN SORROW? If he were going to Heaven, he should have said he was going UP to his son REJOICING. Those today who speak of going to Heaven always speak of going UP, never DOWN, and never speak of there being SORROW in Heaven.
(5) Job 14:13 "O that you would hide ME in the GRAVE [sheol-Hell], that you would keep ME secret, until your wrath be past, that you would appoint me a set time, and remember ME!" Job was in so much pain that he was asking God let him die, he wanted to go to the grave-sheol [Hell] for relief from his sufferings, but today's Hell is incomparably worse than the suffering he wanted relief from. The translators did not dare to make this Hell for them they would have Job asking to go to Hell for relief from his sufferings. "There is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man" [Job 1:8] asking to go to "Hell" to escape his sufferings. Those who believe in Hell teach the sufferings in it are much worse than anything in this life. Job certainly would not have wanted to escape from the painful time he was having by going to a place much more painful, a place where there would be no end to suffering. "Why died I not from the womb? Why did I not give up the ghost when my mother bare me? Why did the knees receive me, or why the breasts, that I should suck? For now should I have lain down and been quiet; I would have slept; then had I been at rest ... There the wicked cease from troubling: and there the weary are at rest" [Job 3:11-17]. Beyond any doubt, Job did not know about or believe in Hell as it is taught today. Job did not want to go to today's Hell and be tormented; he wanted to go the "grave" to avoid the torment he was in. WHY IS IT THAT NO PREACHER WHO BELIEVES IN "HELL" NEVER SPEAKS OF "HELL" IN THE WAY JOB DID? THE ANSWER IS SIMPLE, SHEOL DID NOT MEAN A PLACE OF TORMENT, BUT A PLACE OF REST, AND THOSE WHO PREACH "HELL FIRE" TODAY JUST DO NOT BELIEVE JOB.
(6) Job 17:13 "If I wait, the GRAVE [sheol-Hell] is my house: I have made my bed in darkness. I have said to corruption, you are my father: to the worm, you are my mother, and my sister. And where is my hope? As for my hope, who shall see it? They shall go down to the bars of the PIT [sheol-Hell], when our rest together is in the dust." It was clear even to the King James translators that Job was not saying Hell was gong to be his bed. He gives a description of the corruption and maggots of the grave. An undeniable statement that the grave was to be his house, not Heaven, Hell, or Abraham's bosom; he had no thought of being eternally tortured in the Dark Age Hell, but all of both the good and the bad are resting together in the dust. Death is never said to be a gateway to Heaven. It is described as a place of darkness and forgetfulness. In the same passage they translated the same word, sheol, into both grave and pit.
• Verse 13: "If I wait, the GRAVE [sheol-Hell] is my HOUSE" A house is an abode, not a place of torment.
• Verse 13: "I have made my BED in DARKNESS." The darkness of the grave. Is a place of fire or darkness?
• Verse 14: "I have said to CORRUPTION, you are my father." Corruption is in the grave.
• Verse 14: "To the WORM, you are my mother, and my sister." The worms that eat dead bodies are in the grave.
• Verse 16: "They shall go down to the bars of the PIT [sheol-Hell], when our REST together IS IN THE DUST." There is no rest in the "Hell" that is taught today, and I know of none that think "Hell" is in the dust of the earth [Job 17:13-16].
(7) Psalms 30:3 "O lord, you have brought up my soul from the GRAVE [sheol-Hell]: you have kept me alive, that I should not go down to the pit." David was not saying he had been dead and his soul was in Hell. God had saved him from his foes and death, therefore, saved him from going to the grave. He did not come back from Hell. He was expressing his gratitude for his recovery, not being brought back from Heaven or Hell. "You have kept me alive, that I should not go down to the pit" and "you have brought up my soul from the grave" is Hebrew dualism where the same thing is said in two ways. In verse nine David said, “What profit is there in my blood, if I go down to the pit? Will the dust praise you? Will it declare Your fullness?” The dust of the dead is in the grave. This is Hebrew dualism where the same thing is said in two ways. David who was not dead but was giving thinks to God for saving him and keeping him alive said:
1. “O lord, you have brought up my soul from the GRAVE [sheol]”
2. “You have kept me alive, that I should not go down to the PIT [bohr]”
Grave [sheol] and pit [bohr] are parallel. What is the meaning of pit [bohr] in the Old Testament; it is used 69 times and in the King James Version is translated: pit 42 times, dungeon 13 times, well 9 times, cistern 4 times and fountain 1 time. All except maybe fountain, which would have been better translated well or cistern, means a hole in the ground does; (a grave, pit or well which was dug by man or a natural pit - hole) not a place where an immaterial, invisible something that is in a person would go down to, and not a chamber someplace under ground where all souls are kept together unto the resurrection are a chamber that has two sides, one side for the saved and one side for the lost.
PIT (bohr), which is used in Hebrew parallelism or dualism as being parallel in meaning to GRAVE (sheol) is a hole in the ground and was a pit or well that was sometimes dug by man.
“Cast him (Joseph) into some pit (bohr)” Genesis 37:20
“Cast him into this pit (bohr)” Genesis 37:22
“Cast him into a pit (bohr): and the pit (bohr) was…” Genesis 37:24
“Reuben returned unto the pit (bohr); and behold, Joseph was not in the pit (bohr)” Genesis 37:29
“Should put me into the dungeon (bohr)” Genesis 40:15
“Brought him hastily out of the dungeon (bohr)” Genesis 41:14
“The captive that was in the dungeon (bohr)” Exodus 12:29
“Open a pit (bohr), or if a man shall dig a pit (bohr)” Exodus 12:33
“The owner of the pit (bohr) shall make” Exodus 21:34
“Nevertheless a fountain or pit (bohr)” Leviticus 11:36
“And wells (bohr) dug” Deuteronomy 6:1
“In high places, and in pits (bohr)” 1 Samuel 13:6
“Came to a great well (bohr)” 1 Samuel 19:22
“Brought him again from the well (bohr)” 2 Samuel 3:26
“The water of the well (bohr) of Bethlehem” 2 Samuel 23:15
“Drew water out of the well (bohr)” 2 Samuel 23:16
“In the midst of a pit (bohr) in time” 2 Samuel 23:20
“Slew them at the pit (bohr) of the shearing house” 2 Kings 10:14
“The water of his cistern (bohr)” 2 Kings 18:31
“The water of the well (bohr) of Bethlehem” 1 Chronicles 11:17
“Drew water out of the well (bohr) of Bethlehem” 1 Chronicles 11:18
“Slew a lion in a pit (bohr)” 1 Chronicles 11:22
“Dug many wells (bohr)” 2 Chronicles 26:10
“Wells (bohr) dug” Nehemiah 9:25
“He made a pit (bohr), and dug it” Psalms 7:15-16
“Them that go down into the pit (bohr)” Psalms 28:l
“That I should not go down into the pit (bohr)” Psalms 30:3
“Out of an horrible pit (bohr)” Psalms 40:2
“Them that go down into the pit (bohr)…like the slain who lie in the grave” Psalms 88:4-5
“You have laid me in the lowest pit (bohr)” Psalms 88:6
“Them that do down into the pit (bohr)” Psalms 143:7
“As those that go down into the pit (bohr)” Proverbs 1:12
“Drink waters out of your own cistern (bohr)” Proverbs 5:15
“Person shall flee to the pit (bohr)” Proverbs 28:17
“Or the wheel broken at the cistern (bohr)” Ecclesiastes 12:6
“To the sides of the pit (bohr)” Isaiah 14:15
“That go down to the stones of the pit (bohr)” Isaiah 14:19
“Prisoners are gathered in the pit (bohr)” Isaiah 24:22
“The waters of his own cistern (bohr)” Isaiah 36:16
“They that go down into the pit (bohr)” Isaiah 38:18
“To the hole of the pit (bohr)” Isaiah 51:1
“As a fountain (bohr) cast out” Jeremiah 6:7
“Into the dungeon (bohr)” Jeremiah 37:16
“Cast him into the dungeon (bohr)” Jeremiah 38:6
“And in the dungeon (bohr) there was no” Jeremiah 38:6
“Had put Jeremiah in the dungeon (bohr)” Jeremiah 38:7
“They have cast into the dungeon (bohr)” Jeremiah 38:9
“The prophet out of the dungeon (bohr)” Jeremiah 38:10
“Down by cords into the dungeon (bohr)” Jeremiah 38:11
“Took him up out of the dungeon (bohr)” Jeremiah 38:13
“Into the midst of the pit (bohr)” Jeremiah 41:7
“Now the pit (bohr) wherein Ishmael” Jeremiah 41:9
“Cut off my life in the dungeon (bohr)” Lamentations 3:53
“Out of the low dungeon (bohr)” Lamentations 3:55
“With them that descend into the pit (bohr)” Ezekiel 26:20
“With them that go down to the pit (bohr)” Ezekiel 26:20
“With them that go down to the pit (bohr)” Ezekiel 31:14
“With them that descend into the pit (bohr)” Ezekiel 31:16
“With them that go down into the pit (bohr)” Ezekiel 32:18
“Set in the sides of the pit (bohr)” Ezekiel 32:23
“With them that go down to the pit (bohr)” Ezekiel 32:24; 32:25; 32:29; 32:30
“Sent forth your prisoners out of the pit (bohr)” Zechariah 9:11
In Psalms 30:9 David spoke of going down to the pit, but used ghath, which is translated much the same way as bohr, pit 13 times, ditch 2 times, grave 1 time, corruption 4 times and destruction 2 times in the King James Version.
1. “That I should not go down to the PIT (bohr)” verse 2
2. “You have brought up my soul (Nshahmah – life) from the GRAVE [sheol]” verse 3
3. “When I go down to the PIT (ghath)” verse 9
Sheol, bohr and ghath are also used by in Isaiah 38:17-18.
• “Behold, for peace I had great bitterness: but you have in love to my soul (Nshahmah – life) delivered it from the PIT (ghath) of corruptionfor you have cast all my sins behind your back. For the GRAVE (sheol) cannot praise you, death cannot celebrate you: they that go down into the PIT (bohr) cannot hope for your truth”
His life was delivered from the pit of corruption, the grave for the grave cannot praise God; the pit of corruption and the grave are the same, corruption is in the grave but there could be no corruption in a chamber
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