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means after the Resurrection in A. D. 70, does he think Christians will always have both houses and persecutions? Read this passage, it says nothing about having houses in the age to come.
THE GRACE THAT IS TO BE BROUGHT UNTO YOU
In 1 Peter 1:10 Peter speaks of the grace to come to them. In 1:13 he speaks of “the grace that is to be brought unto YOU at the revelation of Jesus Christ.” In A. D. 70 nothing happened to the living, life went on with persecutions and death.
In summery: According to Realized Eschatology there is no resurrection to come at the coming of Christ, no judgment day at His coming, no second death. According to the Bible any life after death depends wholly on the resurrection of the dead at the coming of Christ (Luke 14:13-14; 1 Thessalonians 4:16; 1 Corinthians 15:51-55).
2 PETER 3
2 Peter 3:3-4: The mockers were saying, “Where is the promise of his coming, for from the day that the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation?” The creation is the creation of the world, not Israel. Peter’s reply to them was the they willfully forget that the earth that was that was created out of water was destroyed by water [destroyed before there was a Jewish nation, before Abraham the father of all Jews] and is now being reserved against the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men, it will be “burned up,” it is to “be dissolved,” and “the elements shall melt with fervent heat.” BOTH THE DESTROYING BY WATER AND BY FIRE ARE A DESTROYING OF THE WORLD, NOT JUST A PART OF IT, NOT JUST THE NATION OF ISRAEL.
WORLD - 2 Peter 3:6 is from "kesmos" Wigram, page 430. Kesmos is in the Greek about 185 times and in the King James Version it is translated "world" all but one time in 1 Peter 3:3 where it is translated "adorning." It is used to mean this planet earth, never the Jewish age from Moses to A. D. 70.
• "All the kingdoms of the world [kesmos]" [Matthew 4:8]
• "Go you into all the world [kesmos]" [Matthew 14:9]
• "For God so loved the world [kesmos]" [John 3:16]
• "The savior of the world [kesmos]" [John 4:42]
• "God that made the world [kesmos] and all things" [Acts 17:24]
• "From the foundation of the world [kesmos]" [Hebrews 4:3]
Kesmos is never translated "age." Peter is not speaking of "the end of the age" as Matthew is in Matthew 24:3.
EARTH - 2 Peter 3:7; 3:10; 3:13 is from "gee" Wigram page 116. Gee is in the Greek about 242 times and in the King James is translated "earth" about 184 times, "land" 39 times, "ground" 18 times, "country" 2 times, and "world" 1 time. It is used to mean this planet earth or some particular part of this earth.
ALL THE WORLD
• "I am come to send peace on earth [gee]" [Matthew 10:34]. Not just in Old Testament Israel.
• "Call no man your father upon the earth [gee]" [Matthew 23:9].
• "Went and dug in the earth [gee]" [Matthew 25:18]. He did not dig in Old Testament Israel.
• “To lead them out of the land [gee] of Egypt” [Hebrews 8:9].
• "That you may live long on the earth [gee]" [Ephesians 5:6]. According to Realized Eschatology Old Testament Israel was about to end when Paul said this.
• “For this they willfully forget, that there were heavens from of old, and an earth [gee] compacted out of water and amidst water, by the word of God; (the heavens and earth that was created by God, the “water” the earth was compacted out of was literal water) by which means the world [kesmos] that then was, being overflowed with water, perished (the world in the time of Noah was overflowed with literal water); but the heavens that now are, and the earth [gee], by the same word have been stored up for fire, being reserved against the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men” [2 Peter 3:5-7]. A person has to be hard up for proof has to take “the heavens that now are, and the earth [gee],” out of context to make it be only one nation, the nation of Israel that did not exist unto long after the flood and does not exist now; there is nothing said about Israel in this passage. IN THIS PASSAGE EARTH [GEE] IS USED THREE TIMES AND WORLD [KESMOS] ONE TIME. REALIZED ESCHATOLOGY SAYS THAT ONLY ONE OF THE FOUR IT IS USED FIGURATIVELY, AND ONLY THIS ONE TIME IT DOES NOT MEAN THE WHOLE WORLD.
ALL THE WORLD UNLESS SOME PARTICULAR PART OF THE EARTH IS NAMED
• "The land [gee] of Sodom" [Matthew 11:24]
• "Land [gee] of Gennesaret" [Matthew 14:34]
• "Land [gee] of Judah" [Matthew 2:6]
• "All the land [gee] of Egypt" [Acts 7:11]
ELEMENTS - 2 Peter 3:12 shall melt: Elements [stoikion] is used seven times.
• “And the elements [stoikion] shall be dissolved with fervent heat” [2 Peter 3:10].
• “And the elements [stoikion] shall melt with fervent heat” [2 Peter 3:12].
• “Were held in bondage under the elements [stoikion] of the world [kesmos]” [Galatians 4:3].
• “Howbeit at that time, not knowing God, you were in bondage to them that by nature are no gods: but now that your have come to know God, or rather to be know by God, how turn you back again to the weak and beggarly elements [stoikion] whereunto your desire to be in bondage over again?” [Galatians 4:8-9]. It was Gentiles that did not know God (“not knowing God”) that were in bondage to the gods that are not gods that turn from the weak and beggarly elements of the world [kesmos] to God, but desired to be in bondage to the world again; not Jews that turned from Christ back again to the Law.
• “Take heed lest there shall be any one that makes spoil of you through his philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments [stoikion] of the world [kesmos], and not after Christ…If you died with Christ from the rudiments [stoikion] of the world [kesmos] why as though living in the world [kesmos] …” [Colossians 2:8-20]. It was the rudiments [elements] of the world [kesmos] that they died to, the world [kesmos] that they were living in, not Israel that they had died to (past tense) before Realized Eschatology say the Law died in A. D. 70.
IN 2 PETER 3, IT IS THE HEAVENS THAT SHALL PASS AWAY AND THE EARTH [gee] THAT SHALL BE BURNED UP IN THE DAY OF THE LORD, NOTHING IS SAID ABOUT IT BEING ONLY A PARTICULAR PART OF THE EARTH, NOTHING IS SAID ABOUT ISRAEL.
• "By which means the world [kesmos] that then was" [2 Peter 3:6]. Israel did not exist at that time. It was the world [kesmos] that then was, not Old Testament Israel that did not exist unto many years after the world perished by water.
• "But the heavens that now are, and the earth [gee]” [2 Peter 3:7]. The earth that now exists that will perish by fire. “Earth” cannot be changed to be only one of the many nations that are on the “earth [gee].”
• "But the day of the Lord will come as a thief: in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall be dissolved with fervent heat, and the earth [gee] and the works that are therein shall be burned up" [2 Peter 3:10]. “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth” [Genesis 1:1]. “For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth” [Colossians 1:16]. The heavens, which “the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall be dissolved with fervent heat” is the universe that was created.
• "But according to his promise, we look for new heavens and a new earth [gee], wherein dwells righteousness" [2 Peter 3:13].
FATE OF THE UNGODLY IN 2 PETER
• BURNED TO ASHES: Sodom was turned into ashes as example to those who live ungodly [2 Peter 2:6]. Sodom was “burned to ashes” and the earth “shall be burned up” and “have been stored up for fire” [2 Peter 3:7, 10], “the heavens shall pass away,” “the elements shall be dissolved with fervent heat,” “the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat” [2Peter 3:10-12]. In the same passage Sodom was literally destroyed by fire and the earth and heavens will be literally destroyed by fire. One is not a literal destruction by fire and the other a figuratively destruction. The “water” cannot be literal and the “fire” made figuratively in the same sentence [2 Peter 3:6], just as the wicked were literally destroyed by water the wicked will literally be destroyed by fire.
• DESTRUCTION of ungodly men [2 Peter 2:1; 3:7]
• DESTROYED: “To be taken and destroyed…shall in their destroying also be destroyed” [2 Peter 2:12]. “They are like brute beast (animals –Strong 2226), creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beast they too will perish” New International Version
• BLACKNESS OF DAKNESS has been reserved [2 Peter 2:17]
• PERISHED [2 Peter 3:6]
• DESTRUCTION: The day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men [2 Peter 3:7]
• PERISH [2 Peter 3:9]
• DESTRUCTION: Some “wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto the own destruction” [2 Peter 3:16]
2 PETER 3:7 IN EIGHT TRANSLATIONS
1. "The heavens SHALL PASS AWAY with a great noise, AND THE ELEMENTS SHALL MELT with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be BURNED UP. Seeing than that all these things shall be dissolved" King James Version.
2. "The heavens SHALL PASS AWAY with a great noise, AND THE ELEMENTS SHALL BE DISSOLVED with fervent heat, and the earth and the works that are therein shall BE BURNED UP. Seeing that these things are thus, all TO BE DISSOLVED" American Standard Version.
3. "The heavens WILL PASS AWAY with a roar, AND THE ELEMENTS WILL BE DESTROYED with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up. Since all these things are TO BE DESTROYED in this way" New American Standard Version.
4. "And then the heavens WILL PASS AWAY with a loud noise, AND THE ELEMENTS WILL BE DISSOLVED with fire, and the earth and everything that is done on it WILL BE DISSOLVED. Since all these things are TO BE DISSOLVED in this way" New Revised Standard Version.
5. "THE HEAVENS WILL DISAPPEAR with a roar; THE ELEMENTS WILL BE DESTROYED by fire, and the earth and everything in it WILL BE LAIN BARE" New International Version.
6. "The heavens WILL PASS AWAY with a terrible noise and the heavenly bodies WILL DISAPPEAR in fire, and the earth and everything on it will BE BURNED UP. And so since EVERYTHING AROUND US IS GOING TO MELT AWAY" The Living Bible.
7. "The skies WILL DISAPPEAR with a loud noise, everything in them will BE DESTROYED by fire, and the earth and everything in it will BE BURNED UP. In that way everything WILL BE DESTROYED" New Century Version.
8. "In that day the heavens WILL VANISH in a tearing blast, the very elements WILL DISINTEGRATE in heat and the earth and all its works WILL DISAPPEAR. In view of the fact that all these things are to BE DISSOLVED" J. B. Phillips.
If this passage does not say the heavens (the sky) and the earth shall pass away, all be dissolved, be burned up, will disappear, disintegrate, there is no way God could have said the heavens (the sky) and the
THE GRACE THAT IS TO BE BROUGHT UNTO YOU
In 1 Peter 1:10 Peter speaks of the grace to come to them. In 1:13 he speaks of “the grace that is to be brought unto YOU at the revelation of Jesus Christ.” In A. D. 70 nothing happened to the living, life went on with persecutions and death.
In summery: According to Realized Eschatology there is no resurrection to come at the coming of Christ, no judgment day at His coming, no second death. According to the Bible any life after death depends wholly on the resurrection of the dead at the coming of Christ (Luke 14:13-14; 1 Thessalonians 4:16; 1 Corinthians 15:51-55).
2 PETER 3
2 Peter 3:3-4: The mockers were saying, “Where is the promise of his coming, for from the day that the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of the creation?” The creation is the creation of the world, not Israel. Peter’s reply to them was the they willfully forget that the earth that was that was created out of water was destroyed by water [destroyed before there was a Jewish nation, before Abraham the father of all Jews] and is now being reserved against the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men, it will be “burned up,” it is to “be dissolved,” and “the elements shall melt with fervent heat.” BOTH THE DESTROYING BY WATER AND BY FIRE ARE A DESTROYING OF THE WORLD, NOT JUST A PART OF IT, NOT JUST THE NATION OF ISRAEL.
WORLD - 2 Peter 3:6 is from "kesmos" Wigram, page 430. Kesmos is in the Greek about 185 times and in the King James Version it is translated "world" all but one time in 1 Peter 3:3 where it is translated "adorning." It is used to mean this planet earth, never the Jewish age from Moses to A. D. 70.
• "All the kingdoms of the world [kesmos]" [Matthew 4:8]
• "Go you into all the world [kesmos]" [Matthew 14:9]
• "For God so loved the world [kesmos]" [John 3:16]
• "The savior of the world [kesmos]" [John 4:42]
• "God that made the world [kesmos] and all things" [Acts 17:24]
• "From the foundation of the world [kesmos]" [Hebrews 4:3]
Kesmos is never translated "age." Peter is not speaking of "the end of the age" as Matthew is in Matthew 24:3.
EARTH - 2 Peter 3:7; 3:10; 3:13 is from "gee" Wigram page 116. Gee is in the Greek about 242 times and in the King James is translated "earth" about 184 times, "land" 39 times, "ground" 18 times, "country" 2 times, and "world" 1 time. It is used to mean this planet earth or some particular part of this earth.
ALL THE WORLD
• "I am come to send peace on earth [gee]" [Matthew 10:34]. Not just in Old Testament Israel.
• "Call no man your father upon the earth [gee]" [Matthew 23:9].
• "Went and dug in the earth [gee]" [Matthew 25:18]. He did not dig in Old Testament Israel.
• “To lead them out of the land [gee] of Egypt” [Hebrews 8:9].
• "That you may live long on the earth [gee]" [Ephesians 5:6]. According to Realized Eschatology Old Testament Israel was about to end when Paul said this.
• “For this they willfully forget, that there were heavens from of old, and an earth [gee] compacted out of water and amidst water, by the word of God; (the heavens and earth that was created by God, the “water” the earth was compacted out of was literal water) by which means the world [kesmos] that then was, being overflowed with water, perished (the world in the time of Noah was overflowed with literal water); but the heavens that now are, and the earth [gee], by the same word have been stored up for fire, being reserved against the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men” [2 Peter 3:5-7]. A person has to be hard up for proof has to take “the heavens that now are, and the earth [gee],” out of context to make it be only one nation, the nation of Israel that did not exist unto long after the flood and does not exist now; there is nothing said about Israel in this passage. IN THIS PASSAGE EARTH [GEE] IS USED THREE TIMES AND WORLD [KESMOS] ONE TIME. REALIZED ESCHATOLOGY SAYS THAT ONLY ONE OF THE FOUR IT IS USED FIGURATIVELY, AND ONLY THIS ONE TIME IT DOES NOT MEAN THE WHOLE WORLD.
ALL THE WORLD UNLESS SOME PARTICULAR PART OF THE EARTH IS NAMED
• "The land [gee] of Sodom" [Matthew 11:24]
• "Land [gee] of Gennesaret" [Matthew 14:34]
• "Land [gee] of Judah" [Matthew 2:6]
• "All the land [gee] of Egypt" [Acts 7:11]
ELEMENTS - 2 Peter 3:12 shall melt: Elements [stoikion] is used seven times.
• “And the elements [stoikion] shall be dissolved with fervent heat” [2 Peter 3:10].
• “And the elements [stoikion] shall melt with fervent heat” [2 Peter 3:12].
• “Were held in bondage under the elements [stoikion] of the world [kesmos]” [Galatians 4:3].
• “Howbeit at that time, not knowing God, you were in bondage to them that by nature are no gods: but now that your have come to know God, or rather to be know by God, how turn you back again to the weak and beggarly elements [stoikion] whereunto your desire to be in bondage over again?” [Galatians 4:8-9]. It was Gentiles that did not know God (“not knowing God”) that were in bondage to the gods that are not gods that turn from the weak and beggarly elements of the world [kesmos] to God, but desired to be in bondage to the world again; not Jews that turned from Christ back again to the Law.
• “Take heed lest there shall be any one that makes spoil of you through his philosophy and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments [stoikion] of the world [kesmos], and not after Christ…If you died with Christ from the rudiments [stoikion] of the world [kesmos] why as though living in the world [kesmos] …” [Colossians 2:8-20]. It was the rudiments [elements] of the world [kesmos] that they died to, the world [kesmos] that they were living in, not Israel that they had died to (past tense) before Realized Eschatology say the Law died in A. D. 70.
IN 2 PETER 3, IT IS THE HEAVENS THAT SHALL PASS AWAY AND THE EARTH [gee] THAT SHALL BE BURNED UP IN THE DAY OF THE LORD, NOTHING IS SAID ABOUT IT BEING ONLY A PARTICULAR PART OF THE EARTH, NOTHING IS SAID ABOUT ISRAEL.
• "By which means the world [kesmos] that then was" [2 Peter 3:6]. Israel did not exist at that time. It was the world [kesmos] that then was, not Old Testament Israel that did not exist unto many years after the world perished by water.
• "But the heavens that now are, and the earth [gee]” [2 Peter 3:7]. The earth that now exists that will perish by fire. “Earth” cannot be changed to be only one of the many nations that are on the “earth [gee].”
• "But the day of the Lord will come as a thief: in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall be dissolved with fervent heat, and the earth [gee] and the works that are therein shall be burned up" [2 Peter 3:10]. “In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth” [Genesis 1:1]. “For by Him all things were created, both in the heavens and on earth” [Colossians 1:16]. The heavens, which “the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall be dissolved with fervent heat” is the universe that was created.
• "But according to his promise, we look for new heavens and a new earth [gee], wherein dwells righteousness" [2 Peter 3:13].
FATE OF THE UNGODLY IN 2 PETER
• BURNED TO ASHES: Sodom was turned into ashes as example to those who live ungodly [2 Peter 2:6]. Sodom was “burned to ashes” and the earth “shall be burned up” and “have been stored up for fire” [2 Peter 3:7, 10], “the heavens shall pass away,” “the elements shall be dissolved with fervent heat,” “the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat” [2Peter 3:10-12]. In the same passage Sodom was literally destroyed by fire and the earth and heavens will be literally destroyed by fire. One is not a literal destruction by fire and the other a figuratively destruction. The “water” cannot be literal and the “fire” made figuratively in the same sentence [2 Peter 3:6], just as the wicked were literally destroyed by water the wicked will literally be destroyed by fire.
• DESTRUCTION of ungodly men [2 Peter 2:1; 3:7]
• DESTROYED: “To be taken and destroyed…shall in their destroying also be destroyed” [2 Peter 2:12]. “They are like brute beast (animals –Strong 2226), creatures of instinct, born only to be caught and destroyed, and like beast they too will perish” New International Version
• BLACKNESS OF DAKNESS has been reserved [2 Peter 2:17]
• PERISHED [2 Peter 3:6]
• DESTRUCTION: The day of judgment and destruction of ungodly men [2 Peter 3:7]
• PERISH [2 Peter 3:9]
• DESTRUCTION: Some “wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto the own destruction” [2 Peter 3:16]
2 PETER 3:7 IN EIGHT TRANSLATIONS
1. "The heavens SHALL PASS AWAY with a great noise, AND THE ELEMENTS SHALL MELT with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be BURNED UP. Seeing than that all these things shall be dissolved" King James Version.
2. "The heavens SHALL PASS AWAY with a great noise, AND THE ELEMENTS SHALL BE DISSOLVED with fervent heat, and the earth and the works that are therein shall BE BURNED UP. Seeing that these things are thus, all TO BE DISSOLVED" American Standard Version.
3. "The heavens WILL PASS AWAY with a roar, AND THE ELEMENTS WILL BE DESTROYED with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up. Since all these things are TO BE DESTROYED in this way" New American Standard Version.
4. "And then the heavens WILL PASS AWAY with a loud noise, AND THE ELEMENTS WILL BE DISSOLVED with fire, and the earth and everything that is done on it WILL BE DISSOLVED. Since all these things are TO BE DISSOLVED in this way" New Revised Standard Version.
5. "THE HEAVENS WILL DISAPPEAR with a roar; THE ELEMENTS WILL BE DESTROYED by fire, and the earth and everything in it WILL BE LAIN BARE" New International Version.
6. "The heavens WILL PASS AWAY with a terrible noise and the heavenly bodies WILL DISAPPEAR in fire, and the earth and everything on it will BE BURNED UP. And so since EVERYTHING AROUND US IS GOING TO MELT AWAY" The Living Bible.
7. "The skies WILL DISAPPEAR with a loud noise, everything in them will BE DESTROYED by fire, and the earth and everything in it will BE BURNED UP. In that way everything WILL BE DESTROYED" New Century Version.
8. "In that day the heavens WILL VANISH in a tearing blast, the very elements WILL DISINTEGRATE in heat and the earth and all its works WILL DISAPPEAR. In view of the fact that all these things are to BE DISSOLVED" J. B. Phillips.
If this passage does not say the heavens (the sky) and the earth shall pass away, all be dissolved, be burned up, will disappear, disintegrate, there is no way God could have said the heavens (the sky) and the
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