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An Immortal Soul and the Doctrine of Hell
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An Immortal Soul and the Doctrine of Hell
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grave and will be unable to hold the dead in Christ, they will be resurrected and have the victory over death. Death and the grave will βnot prevail against ITβ β the church, which is all that are in Christ.
"Death shall neither destroy the organic church which is in the world, nor the members thereof which go down into the grave." J. W. McGarvey, The Fourfold Gospel, Standard Publishing Company, Page 412.
β’ "And the gates of HELL shall not prevail against it" King James.
β’ "And the gates of HADES shall not prevail against it" New King James.
Which translation do you believe? There is no way that both could be right. According to today's theology Hell and Hades are two entirely different places, but these two translations are in conflict with each other on the place all through the New Testament.
(2) Acts 2:27 "Because you will not leave my soul in HELL [the grave-hades], neither will you suffer your Holy One to see corruption." Hades is the Greek translation of the Hebrew sheol. In Acts 2:27, hades is a translation of sheol from Psalm 16:10. Only the King James Version translates hades into Hell. Most translations, even the New King James Version, have not translated hades into Hell. Many would not translate it and therefore left the untranslated Greek word in the English translation. This does not help the English reader who does not know Greek; but it was left untranslated in many versions of the Bible because those who believe the soul is immortal and believe in Hell do not want neither sheol in the Old Testament or hades in the New Testament to be translated.
(3) Acts 2:31 "He seeing this before spoke of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in HELL [the grave-hades]; neither his flesh did see corruption." "That His soul was not left in HADES" New King James Version. This is a quotation of Psalms 16:10. David "both died and were buried, and his tomb is with us unto this day" [Acts 2:29]. If David were living at this time and he was not in the tomb, Peter had no point or argument, and what he said had no meaning. "From the day that the fathers fell asleep" 2 Peter 3:4. This shows that David is still asleep, along with all other's that "are fallen asleep" 1 Corinthians 15:6. To say that David is not dead or has been raised is to say the resurrection is passed, and Christ was not the "first fruits" 1 Corinthians 15:20, or the "first born" Colossians 1:18, Revelation 1:5. To say that David was never dead is to make a resurrection impossible. The resurrection at the coming of Christ is the subject, and nothing is said about what will be from death to the resurrection. Jesus was in His grave until God resurrected Him, and David will be in his grave until the resurrection. David and all who have died except Christ are still in the grave [in sheol-hades] and will be unto the Resurrection. The King James Version has the "soul" of David being taken out of Hell but those who believe in Hell do not believe that a "soul" that has gone to Hell will ever be taken out of it. If His soul [Hebrew-nehphesh; Greek-psukee] "was not left in hades [the grave]," then His soul, the part of Him that cannot die, according to those who say the soul is immortal, was in the grave [hades], IF NOT, IT COULD NOT HAVE BEEN LEFT IN THE GRAVE OR TAKEN OUT OF THE GRAVE, IF HIS SOUL WAS NEVER IN THE GRAVE IT WAS NEVER DEAD, THEREFORE, THIS PASSAGES MAKES NO SENSE. IF, AS THE KING JAMES VERSION AND MANY TEACH, CHRIST WAS ALIVE IN βHELLβ HE WAS NEVER DEAD AND THERE WAS NO RESURRECTION.
Hades in the passage
That has reference to death
(4) 1 Corinthians 15:55 "O death [thanatos], where is your sting; O grave [hades], where is your victory?" It is so obvious that a place of torment after death is not what Paul was speaking of that even the King James translators could not translate this into Hell, see Revelation 20:13-14 below. This is the only time in the King James Version that hades is translated grave. The New American Standard and many others translate both "thanatos" and "hades" into "death" only in this passage. "Death [thanatos] is swallowed up in victory. O death [thanatos], where is your victory? O death [hades], where is your sting? The sting of death [thanatos] is sin" [1 Corinthians 15:54-56]. They translate "thanatos" into death many places, but this is the only time they translate "hades" into death. Why the inconsistency? Was it not because if death is only separation of a living immortal soul from God, the separated living soul could not be in the grave; if this living soul were in the grave, then it could not be in Hell where many believe it to be.
This is believed by many to be a quote from Hosea 13:14 where the King James Version translated "sheol" into "grave," not "death." "I will ransom them from the power of the grave [sheol]; I will redeem them from death; O death, I will be your plagues; O grave [sheol], I will be thy destruction." The whole chapter of Hosea 12 is about the nation of Israel; God redeeming the nation of Israel from captivity, restoring or resurrecting the nation, not individual Jews being resurrected from the grave then or at the second coming of Christ. 1 Corinthians 15:55 is speaking of the victory over death by individuals that are in Christ at the resurrection. Neither Hosea 13:14 or 1 Corinthians 15:55 does not say anything about endless torment or what will happen to those who are not saved.
1. Restoring or resurrection of a nation (living Jews) from captivity [Hosea 13:14].
2. Resurrecting to eternal life all individuals that are asleep in Christ [1 Corinthians 15:55].
Hades in the two passages
That has reference to the destruction of cities or nations
(5) Matthew 11:23 "And you, Capernaum, which are exalted unto heaven, shall be brought down to HELL [grave-hades]: for if the mighty works, which have been done in you, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day." A city to be brought down to the grave and remain no more just as Sodom did not remain.
(6) Luke 10:15 "And you, Capernaum, which are exalted to heaven, shall be thrust down to HELL [grave-hades]." They were favored more than most cities by seeing and hearing Christ "exalted unto heaven," but because of their unbelief they were brought down to the grave. Capernaum ceased to exalt and was covered by sand of Galilee's seashore, its grave. Not even those who believe in Hell believe cities will go to Heaven or Hell, yet they use this passage to prove that lost souls of individuals will go to Hell just as the King James translators sends Capernaum to Hell. Cities do cease to exalt [brought down to hades-the grave]: as both Capernaum and Sodom have been. There is nothing said about eternal torment of cities or nations. JUST AS CAPERNAUM WAS NEVER LITERALLY IN HEAVEN, IT WAS NEVER LITERALLY IN "HELL."
"And you, Capernaum, which are [present tense] exalted to heaven, shall be [future tense] be brought down to the grave." I know of no one who believes Capernaum, was at the time Christ was speaking [present tense], was in Heaven with God, but this city would be [future tense] brought down to Hell to be with Satan, yet this is what this passage says as it is in the King James Version and would have to be saying if it proved "Hell."
Albert Barnes, who believes in Hell, admits that in this passage Hell does not mean Hell. He said, "This does not mean that all the people should go to hell; but that the city which had flourished so prosperously, should lose its prosperity, and occupy the lowest place among cities. The word hell is used here, not to denote a place of punishment in the future world, but a state of desolation and destruction as a city" Note on Matthew 11:23.
Hades in the symbolic passages
(7) Luke 16:23 "And in HELL [grave-hades] he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeing Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom." This is one of the first passages many use to prove there is torment after death. See THE INTERMEDIATE BOSOM in chapter eight for notes on this parable.
(8) Revelation 1:18 "I am he that lives and was dead; and behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen: and have the keys of HELL [grave-hades] and of death." Many do not believe Hell will exist unto after the judgment, but they make Him be saying He has the keys to a place that does not yet exist.
What this passage does not and does say:
β’ If it exists now or will not exist unto after the judgment, most all who believe in Hell do not believe Christ will use the keys to open Hell and take out any who are in it. They believe that once a person is in Hell he is there forever.
β’ Christ will use the keys to take all out of the grave [hades] at the resurrection and judgment day.
(9) Revelation 6:8 "And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that set on him was Death, and HELL [grave-hades] followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth." This is a symbolic passage of a judgment on this earth where:
1. Some are killed with the sword
2. Some are killed with hunger
3. Some are killed with death
4. Some are killed with beasts of the earth
But to prove Hell it is taken out of context and made literal, but if it were literal then Hell, which is believed to be a place of torment after death is killing the living before their death with beasts of the earth, which is definitely not what anyone I know of believes. If those in Hell will be killed with the sword and with hunger, how can they be tormented forever? If this were made literal, then death and Hell would have power over only one fourth of mankind. Will the other three fourths live forever without dying and never go to Hell? If so, then they had no need of the death of Christ to save them from death or Hell. EVEN FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN HELL IT MUST BE DIFFICULT TO IMAGINE DEATH LITERALLY RIDING ON A HORSE, AND HELL AND A PLACE LITERALLY FOLLOWING THE HORSE; but without badly mistranslating there is nothing about Hell in Revelation 6:8. The New King James Version has hades, not Hell, following death; which do you believe, Hell or hades?
(10) Revelation 20:13 "And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and HELL [hades-footnote in King James Version says "the grave"] delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works." Will the "Hell" that is taught today give up those who are in it? If made literal, this also would not be today's theology; those in this βHellβ are dead, not alive in torment. This passage makes a distinction between the dead in the sea
"Death shall neither destroy the organic church which is in the world, nor the members thereof which go down into the grave." J. W. McGarvey, The Fourfold Gospel, Standard Publishing Company, Page 412.
β’ "And the gates of HELL shall not prevail against it" King James.
β’ "And the gates of HADES shall not prevail against it" New King James.
Which translation do you believe? There is no way that both could be right. According to today's theology Hell and Hades are two entirely different places, but these two translations are in conflict with each other on the place all through the New Testament.
(2) Acts 2:27 "Because you will not leave my soul in HELL [the grave-hades], neither will you suffer your Holy One to see corruption." Hades is the Greek translation of the Hebrew sheol. In Acts 2:27, hades is a translation of sheol from Psalm 16:10. Only the King James Version translates hades into Hell. Most translations, even the New King James Version, have not translated hades into Hell. Many would not translate it and therefore left the untranslated Greek word in the English translation. This does not help the English reader who does not know Greek; but it was left untranslated in many versions of the Bible because those who believe the soul is immortal and believe in Hell do not want neither sheol in the Old Testament or hades in the New Testament to be translated.
(3) Acts 2:31 "He seeing this before spoke of the resurrection of Christ, that his soul was not left in HELL [the grave-hades]; neither his flesh did see corruption." "That His soul was not left in HADES" New King James Version. This is a quotation of Psalms 16:10. David "both died and were buried, and his tomb is with us unto this day" [Acts 2:29]. If David were living at this time and he was not in the tomb, Peter had no point or argument, and what he said had no meaning. "From the day that the fathers fell asleep" 2 Peter 3:4. This shows that David is still asleep, along with all other's that "are fallen asleep" 1 Corinthians 15:6. To say that David is not dead or has been raised is to say the resurrection is passed, and Christ was not the "first fruits" 1 Corinthians 15:20, or the "first born" Colossians 1:18, Revelation 1:5. To say that David was never dead is to make a resurrection impossible. The resurrection at the coming of Christ is the subject, and nothing is said about what will be from death to the resurrection. Jesus was in His grave until God resurrected Him, and David will be in his grave until the resurrection. David and all who have died except Christ are still in the grave [in sheol-hades] and will be unto the Resurrection. The King James Version has the "soul" of David being taken out of Hell but those who believe in Hell do not believe that a "soul" that has gone to Hell will ever be taken out of it. If His soul [Hebrew-nehphesh; Greek-psukee] "was not left in hades [the grave]," then His soul, the part of Him that cannot die, according to those who say the soul is immortal, was in the grave [hades], IF NOT, IT COULD NOT HAVE BEEN LEFT IN THE GRAVE OR TAKEN OUT OF THE GRAVE, IF HIS SOUL WAS NEVER IN THE GRAVE IT WAS NEVER DEAD, THEREFORE, THIS PASSAGES MAKES NO SENSE. IF, AS THE KING JAMES VERSION AND MANY TEACH, CHRIST WAS ALIVE IN βHELLβ HE WAS NEVER DEAD AND THERE WAS NO RESURRECTION.
Hades in the passage
That has reference to death
(4) 1 Corinthians 15:55 "O death [thanatos], where is your sting; O grave [hades], where is your victory?" It is so obvious that a place of torment after death is not what Paul was speaking of that even the King James translators could not translate this into Hell, see Revelation 20:13-14 below. This is the only time in the King James Version that hades is translated grave. The New American Standard and many others translate both "thanatos" and "hades" into "death" only in this passage. "Death [thanatos] is swallowed up in victory. O death [thanatos], where is your victory? O death [hades], where is your sting? The sting of death [thanatos] is sin" [1 Corinthians 15:54-56]. They translate "thanatos" into death many places, but this is the only time they translate "hades" into death. Why the inconsistency? Was it not because if death is only separation of a living immortal soul from God, the separated living soul could not be in the grave; if this living soul were in the grave, then it could not be in Hell where many believe it to be.
This is believed by many to be a quote from Hosea 13:14 where the King James Version translated "sheol" into "grave," not "death." "I will ransom them from the power of the grave [sheol]; I will redeem them from death; O death, I will be your plagues; O grave [sheol], I will be thy destruction." The whole chapter of Hosea 12 is about the nation of Israel; God redeeming the nation of Israel from captivity, restoring or resurrecting the nation, not individual Jews being resurrected from the grave then or at the second coming of Christ. 1 Corinthians 15:55 is speaking of the victory over death by individuals that are in Christ at the resurrection. Neither Hosea 13:14 or 1 Corinthians 15:55 does not say anything about endless torment or what will happen to those who are not saved.
1. Restoring or resurrection of a nation (living Jews) from captivity [Hosea 13:14].
2. Resurrecting to eternal life all individuals that are asleep in Christ [1 Corinthians 15:55].
Hades in the two passages
That has reference to the destruction of cities or nations
(5) Matthew 11:23 "And you, Capernaum, which are exalted unto heaven, shall be brought down to HELL [grave-hades]: for if the mighty works, which have been done in you, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day." A city to be brought down to the grave and remain no more just as Sodom did not remain.
(6) Luke 10:15 "And you, Capernaum, which are exalted to heaven, shall be thrust down to HELL [grave-hades]." They were favored more than most cities by seeing and hearing Christ "exalted unto heaven," but because of their unbelief they were brought down to the grave. Capernaum ceased to exalt and was covered by sand of Galilee's seashore, its grave. Not even those who believe in Hell believe cities will go to Heaven or Hell, yet they use this passage to prove that lost souls of individuals will go to Hell just as the King James translators sends Capernaum to Hell. Cities do cease to exalt [brought down to hades-the grave]: as both Capernaum and Sodom have been. There is nothing said about eternal torment of cities or nations. JUST AS CAPERNAUM WAS NEVER LITERALLY IN HEAVEN, IT WAS NEVER LITERALLY IN "HELL."
"And you, Capernaum, which are [present tense] exalted to heaven, shall be [future tense] be brought down to the grave." I know of no one who believes Capernaum, was at the time Christ was speaking [present tense], was in Heaven with God, but this city would be [future tense] brought down to Hell to be with Satan, yet this is what this passage says as it is in the King James Version and would have to be saying if it proved "Hell."
Albert Barnes, who believes in Hell, admits that in this passage Hell does not mean Hell. He said, "This does not mean that all the people should go to hell; but that the city which had flourished so prosperously, should lose its prosperity, and occupy the lowest place among cities. The word hell is used here, not to denote a place of punishment in the future world, but a state of desolation and destruction as a city" Note on Matthew 11:23.
Hades in the symbolic passages
(7) Luke 16:23 "And in HELL [grave-hades] he lift up his eyes, being in torments, and seeing Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom." This is one of the first passages many use to prove there is torment after death. See THE INTERMEDIATE BOSOM in chapter eight for notes on this parable.
(8) Revelation 1:18 "I am he that lives and was dead; and behold, I am alive for evermore, Amen: and have the keys of HELL [grave-hades] and of death." Many do not believe Hell will exist unto after the judgment, but they make Him be saying He has the keys to a place that does not yet exist.
What this passage does not and does say:
β’ If it exists now or will not exist unto after the judgment, most all who believe in Hell do not believe Christ will use the keys to open Hell and take out any who are in it. They believe that once a person is in Hell he is there forever.
β’ Christ will use the keys to take all out of the grave [hades] at the resurrection and judgment day.
(9) Revelation 6:8 "And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that set on him was Death, and HELL [grave-hades] followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth." This is a symbolic passage of a judgment on this earth where:
1. Some are killed with the sword
2. Some are killed with hunger
3. Some are killed with death
4. Some are killed with beasts of the earth
But to prove Hell it is taken out of context and made literal, but if it were literal then Hell, which is believed to be a place of torment after death is killing the living before their death with beasts of the earth, which is definitely not what anyone I know of believes. If those in Hell will be killed with the sword and with hunger, how can they be tormented forever? If this were made literal, then death and Hell would have power over only one fourth of mankind. Will the other three fourths live forever without dying and never go to Hell? If so, then they had no need of the death of Christ to save them from death or Hell. EVEN FOR THOSE WHO BELIEVE IN HELL IT MUST BE DIFFICULT TO IMAGINE DEATH LITERALLY RIDING ON A HORSE, AND HELL AND A PLACE LITERALLY FOLLOWING THE HORSE; but without badly mistranslating there is nothing about Hell in Revelation 6:8. The New King James Version has hades, not Hell, following death; which do you believe, Hell or hades?
(10) Revelation 20:13 "And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and HELL [hades-footnote in King James Version says "the grave"] delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works." Will the "Hell" that is taught today give up those who are in it? If made literal, this also would not be today's theology; those in this βHellβ are dead, not alive in torment. This passage makes a distinction between the dead in the sea
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