Immortality or Resurrection by William West (philippa perry book txt) π
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Is "The Wages Of Sin Death"
Or "Eternal Life With Torment In Hell"
An Immortal Soul and the Doctrine of Hell
Or "Eternal Life With Torment In Hell"
An Immortal Soul and the Doctrine of Hell
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and the dead in the grave [hades]. If hades were a place where all the dead go, the good to one side of hades (Abraham's bosom) and the lost to the other side of hades, all the dead would be in hades and none in the sea. Neither the Catholics or Protestant versions of Hell believe any will come out of Hell, but the way the King James Version is translated ALL that are in Hell do come out of Hell when this is made literal, and many do make it literal when they are trying to prove Hell is real.
(11) Revelation 20:14 "And death and HELL [grave-hades] were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death." NEITHER DO THEY BELIEVE HELL WILL BE CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE. THEY BELIEVE HELL IS THE LAKE OF FIRE. If the Lake of Fire were Hell, then the King James Version would have Hell being cast into Hell, but John says it is death and the grave that are being cast into the lake of fire, not Hell cast into Hell. THE GRAVE, NOT HELL, WILL DELIVER UP THE DEAD AT THE COMING OF CHRIST. The victory of death over mankind will have ended [See I Corinthians 15:55 above]. MOST ALL THAT USE THIS MISTRANSLATION IN THE KING JAMES VERSION DO NOT BELIEVE WHAT THE KING JAMES VERSION SAYS, THAT HELL WILL DELIVER UP THOSE IN IT, FOR IF IT DID THEIR HELL WOULD NOT BE ETERNAL. This mistranslation in the King James Version makes Hell end at the resurrection.
Dr. George Campbell: "It is very [interesting] that neither in the Septuagint version of the Old Testament, nor in the New, does the word hades convey the meaning which the present English word hell, in the Christian usage, always conveys to our minds" Diss. vi., Page 181.
Conscious in sheol-hades or Conscious in Heaven or Hell; some believes and teach two contradictory beliefs at the same time.
1. CONSCIOUS IN SHEOL-HADES. A disembodied soul in sheol that will be transmigrated back to its earthly body at the judgment. They believe sheol to be under the Earth or who knows where, but anyone in sheol is not in Heaven or Hell.
2. OR CONSCIOUS IN HEAVEN OR HELL. A living soul in Heaven or Hell, which will leave there and come back to Earth for judgment, then go back to Heaven or Hell after the judgment. If the dead are in Heaven or Hell, they are not in sheol.
Both cannot be right, but I have heard preachers say one at one time, then the other at another time. Did they just forget what they had said the first time? If they prove one, they disprove the other. They spend much time and use many passages of scripture to prove both. Which one do they believe? MANY THAT BELIEVE THE PROTESTANT VERSION WORK HARD TO PROVE THERE IS CONSCIOUSNESS IN SHEOL BUT WHY? IF THE LOST GO DIRECTLY TO HELL AND THE SAVED GO TO THEIR ETERNAL HOME IN HEAVEN AT DEATH, THEN THEIR IMMORTAL SOULS CANNOT BE IN SHEOL. THEY COULD NOT BE IN TWO PLACES AT THE SAME TIME. IF THEY DID PROVE THE DEAD ARE ALIVE IN SHEOL, THEY WOULD PROVE THAT THE DEAD ARE NOT IN HELL OR HEAVEN. ARE THEY TRYING TO DISPROVE THEIR OWN BELIEF? HOW CAN THEY NOT SEE HOW INCONSISTENT THEY ARE?
Summary of chapter six: TO TRANSLATE SHEOL, GEHENNA, HADES, OR TARTARUS INTO HELL, IS A TOTAL PERVERSION OF THE TRUTH; AND IS AN INTENTIONAL MISTRANSLATION. IF WE USE IT OR TEACH IT, CAN THERE BE ANY HOPE FOR US? HELL IS A VERY DIFFERENT GOSPEL [GALATIANS 1:9]. IT IS CERTAINLY MORE DIFFERENT THAN ANYTHING THAT WAS PREACHED IN PAUL'S TIME.
CHAPTER SEVEN
A STRANGE AND UNEXPLAINABLE SILENCE
THE SILENCE OF THE OLD TESTAMENT
ON PUNISHMENT AFTER DEATH
In the Old Testament the penalty for disobedience is always in this lifetime. There is no allusion made to any punishment after this lifetime. THE PUNISHMENTS WERE TEMPORAL, NOT ENDLESS BUT LIMITED PUNISHMENTS, NOT PUNISHMENTS IN THE HEREAFTER BUT IN THIS LIFETIME.
FROM ADAM TO MOSES
[1] ADAM: God told Adam in the day he ate he would die. The day he ate was the beginning of the dying process, "Dying you shall die." The death that came into the world by Adam's sin is the same death that he died for eating, a physical death. His punishment was that he had to work to live, and dying. It was not the death of Adam's "soul," an inward immortal never dying part of Adam that could not die but it would die anyway if he eat. He was not told that after his death he would be subjected to endless torment in Hell, but endless torment is almost always read into this. The complete silence of any punishment after death would be unthinkable if the doctrine of Hell were true.
[2] CAIN: His sin was the first murder, which by most is believed to be the greatest of all sins. What was his punishment? Today he would be told that he would go to Hell if he did not repent, but his punishment was that he was to be a fugitive and a vagabond in his lifetime on the earth. Not one word about any punishment after his death. The punishment for anyone who killed Cain would be SEVEN TIMES GREATER than the punishment of Cain. How could anything be seven times greater than today's Hell?
[3] THE FLOOD: The people had become so evil that God destroyed them. Only eight were saved. What was their punishment? Read the Bible. It was death. There is no mention of any punishment after their death. They were not told they had lost their souls or that they would go to Hell. Their punishment was not something that would be after the flood; it was the flood and their death. "And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. And the Lord said, 'I will BLOT OUT MAN whom I have created from the face of the land'" [Genesis 6:6-7 New American Standard]. "And all flesh DIED that moved upon the earth, both birds, and cattle, and beasts, and every creeping thing that creeping that creeps upon the earth, and every man: all in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life, of all that was on the dry land DIED. And every living thing was DESTROYED that was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and creeping things, and birds of the heavens; and they were DESTROYED from the earth" [Genesis 7:21-23]. The same thing happened to "every man" also happened to every beast; their punishment was death, not eternal torment. If the punishment of Hell awaited all those who drown in the flood, the punishment given to them utterly pales into insignificance when it compared to an eternal life of torment in Hell, yet absolutely nothing is said about eternal punishment after death.
"I establish my covenant with you, and with your seed after you; and with every living creature (soul-nehphesh) that is with you, the birds, the cattle, and every beast of the earth with you; of all that go out of the ark, even every beast of the earth. And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of the flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to DESTROY the earth" [Genesis 9:9-11]. All the souls, both of beast and man were destroyed, not forever tormented.
"For this they willfully forget, that there were heavens from of old, and an earth compacted out of water and amid water, by the word of God; by which means the world that then was, being overflowed with water, PERISHED [apollumi]" [2 Peter 3:5-6 American Standard Version]. "WAS DESTROYED" New American Standard Bible. Nothing is said about endless torment or any torment after death.
[4] THE DESTRUCTION OF SODOM AND GOMORRAH: Genesis 13 and 14: These cities were literally burnt up [Psalms 11:6; Isaiah 34:9], not still burning with the people walking around in torment. Their end was complete total destruction and is an example of the total destruction that is coming to the ungodly at the judgment. Sodom did not just suffer a lost of βwill beingβ but was completely and forever totally destroyed βby burning them to ashes and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodlyβ [2 Peter 2:6]. Peter adds in the next chapter that the earth will be βburned up.β The earth has been stored up for fire βbeing reserved against the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly menβ [2 Peter 3:7-13].
[5] FROM ADAM TO MOSES: For about twenty-five centuries, from Adam to Moses, Lot's wife, Pharaoh, building of Babel, etc., punishment was always in this life, not in life after death.
THE LAW OF MOSES
ALL THESE BLESSING, ALL THESE CURSING
"Now it shall be, if you will diligently obey the Lord our God, being careful to do all His commandments which I command you today, the Lord your God will set you high above all the nations of the earth. AND ALL THESE BLESSING SHALL COME UPON YOU AND OVERTAKE YOU, if you will obey the Lord your God" [Deuteronomy 28:1-2]. "Moses was instructed in all the wisdom of the Egyptians" [Acts 7:22], therefore, he knew of their teaching of life after death, but he did not put a word of it in the Law.
ALL THESE BLESSINGS of the Law were in this lifetime, not after death [Deuteronomy 28:11]. NOT ONE WORD ABOUT A BLESSING AFTER DEATH.
β’ God would set Israel high above all nations [Deuteronomy 28:1].
β’ Blessing in the city and in the country [Deuteronomy 28:4].
β’ Blessing in children, cattle, and the ground [Deuteronomy 28:5].
β’ Blessing in full barns [Deuteronomy 28:8].
β’ Blessing in all they set their hand to do [Deuteronomy 28:8].
β’ The Lord will establish them as a holy people to Himself [Deuteronomy 28:9].
β’ All nations will see and be afraid of you [Deuteronomy 28:10].
β’ They will abound in prosperity, in children, and the fruit of the land [Deuteronomy 28:11-12].
β’ They will lend to many nations and not borrow, be the head and not the tail [Deuteronomy 28:12-13].
ALL THESE CURSES of the Law if they did not keep it were in this lifetime [Deuteronomy 28:18-19]. NOT ONE WORD ABOUT A CURSE AFTER THIS LIFETIME. "But it shall come about, if you will not obey the Lord your God, to observe to do all His commandments and His statutes with which I charge you today, that ALL THESE CURSES SHALL COME UPON YOU AND OVERTAKE YOU" [Deuteronomy 28:15].
β’ Cursed in the city and the country [Deuteronomy 28:16].
β’ Cursed in your basket and kneading bowl [Deuteronomy 28:17].
β’ Cursed in their children, the produce of their ground, the increase of their herd [Deuteronomy 28:18].
β’ Cursed when they come in and when they went out [Deuteronomy 28:19].
β’ Confusion, rebuke, in all they did unto they was destroyed [Deuteronomy 28:20].
β’ Cursed with pestilence until they were consumed from the land [Deuteronomy 28:21].
β’ Smite with consumption, with fever, with inflammation, with fiery heat, with the sword, with blight, with mildew, and pursued unto they perished [Deuteronomy 28:22].
β’ The heaven over
(11) Revelation 20:14 "And death and HELL [grave-hades] were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death." NEITHER DO THEY BELIEVE HELL WILL BE CAST INTO THE LAKE OF FIRE. THEY BELIEVE HELL IS THE LAKE OF FIRE. If the Lake of Fire were Hell, then the King James Version would have Hell being cast into Hell, but John says it is death and the grave that are being cast into the lake of fire, not Hell cast into Hell. THE GRAVE, NOT HELL, WILL DELIVER UP THE DEAD AT THE COMING OF CHRIST. The victory of death over mankind will have ended [See I Corinthians 15:55 above]. MOST ALL THAT USE THIS MISTRANSLATION IN THE KING JAMES VERSION DO NOT BELIEVE WHAT THE KING JAMES VERSION SAYS, THAT HELL WILL DELIVER UP THOSE IN IT, FOR IF IT DID THEIR HELL WOULD NOT BE ETERNAL. This mistranslation in the King James Version makes Hell end at the resurrection.
Dr. George Campbell: "It is very [interesting] that neither in the Septuagint version of the Old Testament, nor in the New, does the word hades convey the meaning which the present English word hell, in the Christian usage, always conveys to our minds" Diss. vi., Page 181.
Conscious in sheol-hades or Conscious in Heaven or Hell; some believes and teach two contradictory beliefs at the same time.
1. CONSCIOUS IN SHEOL-HADES. A disembodied soul in sheol that will be transmigrated back to its earthly body at the judgment. They believe sheol to be under the Earth or who knows where, but anyone in sheol is not in Heaven or Hell.
2. OR CONSCIOUS IN HEAVEN OR HELL. A living soul in Heaven or Hell, which will leave there and come back to Earth for judgment, then go back to Heaven or Hell after the judgment. If the dead are in Heaven or Hell, they are not in sheol.
Both cannot be right, but I have heard preachers say one at one time, then the other at another time. Did they just forget what they had said the first time? If they prove one, they disprove the other. They spend much time and use many passages of scripture to prove both. Which one do they believe? MANY THAT BELIEVE THE PROTESTANT VERSION WORK HARD TO PROVE THERE IS CONSCIOUSNESS IN SHEOL BUT WHY? IF THE LOST GO DIRECTLY TO HELL AND THE SAVED GO TO THEIR ETERNAL HOME IN HEAVEN AT DEATH, THEN THEIR IMMORTAL SOULS CANNOT BE IN SHEOL. THEY COULD NOT BE IN TWO PLACES AT THE SAME TIME. IF THEY DID PROVE THE DEAD ARE ALIVE IN SHEOL, THEY WOULD PROVE THAT THE DEAD ARE NOT IN HELL OR HEAVEN. ARE THEY TRYING TO DISPROVE THEIR OWN BELIEF? HOW CAN THEY NOT SEE HOW INCONSISTENT THEY ARE?
Summary of chapter six: TO TRANSLATE SHEOL, GEHENNA, HADES, OR TARTARUS INTO HELL, IS A TOTAL PERVERSION OF THE TRUTH; AND IS AN INTENTIONAL MISTRANSLATION. IF WE USE IT OR TEACH IT, CAN THERE BE ANY HOPE FOR US? HELL IS A VERY DIFFERENT GOSPEL [GALATIANS 1:9]. IT IS CERTAINLY MORE DIFFERENT THAN ANYTHING THAT WAS PREACHED IN PAUL'S TIME.
CHAPTER SEVEN
A STRANGE AND UNEXPLAINABLE SILENCE
THE SILENCE OF THE OLD TESTAMENT
ON PUNISHMENT AFTER DEATH
In the Old Testament the penalty for disobedience is always in this lifetime. There is no allusion made to any punishment after this lifetime. THE PUNISHMENTS WERE TEMPORAL, NOT ENDLESS BUT LIMITED PUNISHMENTS, NOT PUNISHMENTS IN THE HEREAFTER BUT IN THIS LIFETIME.
FROM ADAM TO MOSES
[1] ADAM: God told Adam in the day he ate he would die. The day he ate was the beginning of the dying process, "Dying you shall die." The death that came into the world by Adam's sin is the same death that he died for eating, a physical death. His punishment was that he had to work to live, and dying. It was not the death of Adam's "soul," an inward immortal never dying part of Adam that could not die but it would die anyway if he eat. He was not told that after his death he would be subjected to endless torment in Hell, but endless torment is almost always read into this. The complete silence of any punishment after death would be unthinkable if the doctrine of Hell were true.
[2] CAIN: His sin was the first murder, which by most is believed to be the greatest of all sins. What was his punishment? Today he would be told that he would go to Hell if he did not repent, but his punishment was that he was to be a fugitive and a vagabond in his lifetime on the earth. Not one word about any punishment after his death. The punishment for anyone who killed Cain would be SEVEN TIMES GREATER than the punishment of Cain. How could anything be seven times greater than today's Hell?
[3] THE FLOOD: The people had become so evil that God destroyed them. Only eight were saved. What was their punishment? Read the Bible. It was death. There is no mention of any punishment after their death. They were not told they had lost their souls or that they would go to Hell. Their punishment was not something that would be after the flood; it was the flood and their death. "And the Lord was sorry that He had made man on the earth, and He was grieved in His heart. And the Lord said, 'I will BLOT OUT MAN whom I have created from the face of the land'" [Genesis 6:6-7 New American Standard]. "And all flesh DIED that moved upon the earth, both birds, and cattle, and beasts, and every creeping thing that creeping that creeps upon the earth, and every man: all in whose nostrils was the breath of the spirit of life, of all that was on the dry land DIED. And every living thing was DESTROYED that was upon the face of the ground, both man, and cattle, and creeping things, and birds of the heavens; and they were DESTROYED from the earth" [Genesis 7:21-23]. The same thing happened to "every man" also happened to every beast; their punishment was death, not eternal torment. If the punishment of Hell awaited all those who drown in the flood, the punishment given to them utterly pales into insignificance when it compared to an eternal life of torment in Hell, yet absolutely nothing is said about eternal punishment after death.
"I establish my covenant with you, and with your seed after you; and with every living creature (soul-nehphesh) that is with you, the birds, the cattle, and every beast of the earth with you; of all that go out of the ark, even every beast of the earth. And I will establish my covenant with you; neither shall all flesh be cut off any more by the waters of the flood; neither shall there any more be a flood to DESTROY the earth" [Genesis 9:9-11]. All the souls, both of beast and man were destroyed, not forever tormented.
"For this they willfully forget, that there were heavens from of old, and an earth compacted out of water and amid water, by the word of God; by which means the world that then was, being overflowed with water, PERISHED [apollumi]" [2 Peter 3:5-6 American Standard Version]. "WAS DESTROYED" New American Standard Bible. Nothing is said about endless torment or any torment after death.
[4] THE DESTRUCTION OF SODOM AND GOMORRAH: Genesis 13 and 14: These cities were literally burnt up [Psalms 11:6; Isaiah 34:9], not still burning with the people walking around in torment. Their end was complete total destruction and is an example of the total destruction that is coming to the ungodly at the judgment. Sodom did not just suffer a lost of βwill beingβ but was completely and forever totally destroyed βby burning them to ashes and made them an example of what is going to happen to the ungodlyβ [2 Peter 2:6]. Peter adds in the next chapter that the earth will be βburned up.β The earth has been stored up for fire βbeing reserved against the day of judgment and destruction of ungodly menβ [2 Peter 3:7-13].
[5] FROM ADAM TO MOSES: For about twenty-five centuries, from Adam to Moses, Lot's wife, Pharaoh, building of Babel, etc., punishment was always in this life, not in life after death.
THE LAW OF MOSES
ALL THESE BLESSING, ALL THESE CURSING
"Now it shall be, if you will diligently obey the Lord our God, being careful to do all His commandments which I command you today, the Lord your God will set you high above all the nations of the earth. AND ALL THESE BLESSING SHALL COME UPON YOU AND OVERTAKE YOU, if you will obey the Lord your God" [Deuteronomy 28:1-2]. "Moses was instructed in all the wisdom of the Egyptians" [Acts 7:22], therefore, he knew of their teaching of life after death, but he did not put a word of it in the Law.
ALL THESE BLESSINGS of the Law were in this lifetime, not after death [Deuteronomy 28:11]. NOT ONE WORD ABOUT A BLESSING AFTER DEATH.
β’ God would set Israel high above all nations [Deuteronomy 28:1].
β’ Blessing in the city and in the country [Deuteronomy 28:4].
β’ Blessing in children, cattle, and the ground [Deuteronomy 28:5].
β’ Blessing in full barns [Deuteronomy 28:8].
β’ Blessing in all they set their hand to do [Deuteronomy 28:8].
β’ The Lord will establish them as a holy people to Himself [Deuteronomy 28:9].
β’ All nations will see and be afraid of you [Deuteronomy 28:10].
β’ They will abound in prosperity, in children, and the fruit of the land [Deuteronomy 28:11-12].
β’ They will lend to many nations and not borrow, be the head and not the tail [Deuteronomy 28:12-13].
ALL THESE CURSES of the Law if they did not keep it were in this lifetime [Deuteronomy 28:18-19]. NOT ONE WORD ABOUT A CURSE AFTER THIS LIFETIME. "But it shall come about, if you will not obey the Lord your God, to observe to do all His commandments and His statutes with which I charge you today, that ALL THESE CURSES SHALL COME UPON YOU AND OVERTAKE YOU" [Deuteronomy 28:15].
β’ Cursed in the city and the country [Deuteronomy 28:16].
β’ Cursed in your basket and kneading bowl [Deuteronomy 28:17].
β’ Cursed in their children, the produce of their ground, the increase of their herd [Deuteronomy 28:18].
β’ Cursed when they come in and when they went out [Deuteronomy 28:19].
β’ Confusion, rebuke, in all they did unto they was destroyed [Deuteronomy 28:20].
β’ Cursed with pestilence until they were consumed from the land [Deuteronomy 28:21].
β’ Smite with consumption, with fever, with inflammation, with fiery heat, with the sword, with blight, with mildew, and pursued unto they perished [Deuteronomy 28:22].
β’ The heaven over
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