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that, between me and him, the popish religion, that of Greece and Rome, and the old Indian system were, in reality, one and the same.

β€œYou told me that you intended to be frank,” said I; β€œbut, however frank you may be, I think you are rather wild.”

β€œWe priests of Rome,” said the man in black, β€œeven those amongst us who do not go much abroad, know a great deal about Church matters, of which you heretics have very little idea. Those of our brethren of the Propaganda, on their return home from distant missions, not unfrequently tell us very strange things relating to our dear mother; for example, our first missionaries to the East were not slow in discovering and telling to their brethren that our religion and the great Indian one were identical, no more difference between them than between Ram and Rome. Priests, convents, beads, prayers, processions, fastings, penances, all the same, not forgetting anchorites and vermin, he! he! The Pope they found under the title of the grand lama, a sucking child surrounded by an immense number of priests. Our good brethren, some two hundred years ago, had a hearty laugh, which their successors have often reechoed; they said that helpless suckling and its priests put them so much in mind of their own old man, surrounded by his cardinals, he! he! Old age is second childhood.”

β€œDid they find Christ?” said I.

β€œThey found him too,” said the man in black, β€œthat is, they saw his image; he is considered in India as a pure kind of being, and on that account, perhaps, is kept there rather in the background, even as he is here.”

β€œAll this is very mysterious to me,” said I.

β€œVery likely,” said the man in black; β€œbut of this I am tolerably sure, and so are most of those of Rome, that modern Rome had its religion from ancient Rome, which had its religion from the East.”

β€œBut how?” I demanded.

β€œIt was brought about, I believe, by the wanderings of nations,” said the man in black. β€œA brother of the Propaganda, a very learned man, once told me⁠—I do not mean Mezzofanti,224 who has not five ideas⁠—this brother once told me that all we of the Old World, from Calcutta to Dublin, are of the same stock, and were originally of the same language, and⁠—”

β€œAll of one religion,” I put in.

β€œAll of one religion,” said the man in black; β€œand now follow different modifications of the same religion.”

β€œWe Christians are not image-worshippers,” said I.

β€œYou heretics are not, you mean,” said the man in black; β€œbut you will be put down, just as you have always been, though others may rise up after you; the true religion is image-worship; people may strive against it, but they will only work themselves to an oil; how did it fare with that Greek Emperor, the Iconoclast, what was his name, Leon the Isaurian?225 Did not his image-breaking cost him Italy, the fairest province of his empire, and did not ten fresh images start up at home for everyone which he demolished? Oh! you little know the craving which the soul sometimes feels after a good bodily image.”

β€œI have indeed no conception of it,” said I; β€œI have an abhorrence of idolatry⁠—the idea of bowing before a graven figure!”

β€œThe idea, indeed!” said Belle, who had now joined us.

β€œDid you never bow before that of Shakespeare?” said the man in black, addressing himself to me, after a low bow to Belle.

β€œI don’t remember that I ever did,” said I; β€œbut even suppose I did?”

β€œSuppose you did,” said the man in black; β€œshame on you, Mr. Hater of Idolatry; why, the very supposition brings you to the ground; you must make figures of Shakespeare, must you? then why not of St. Antonio, or Ignacio,226 or of a greater personage still! I know what you are going to say,” he cried, interrupting me, as I was about to speak, β€œYou don’t make his image in order to pay it divine honours, but only to look at it, and think of Shakespeare; but this looking at a thing in order to think of a person is the very basis of idolatry. Shakespeare’s works are not sufficient for you; no more are the Bible or the legend of Saint Anthony or Saint Ignacio for us, that is for those of us who believe in them; I tell you Zingaro, that no religion can exist long which rejects a good bodily image.”

β€œDo you think,” said I, β€œthat Shakespeare’s works would not exist without his image?”

β€œI believe,” said the man in black, β€œthat Shakespeare’s image is looked at more than his works, and will be looked at, and perhaps adored, when they are forgotten. I am surprised that they have not been forgotten long ago; I am no admirer of them.”

β€œBut I can’t imagine,” said I, β€œhow you will put aside the authority of Moses. If Moses strove against image-worship, should not his doing so be conclusive as to the impropriety of the practice; what higher authority can you have than that of Moses?”

β€œThe practice of the great majority of the human race,” said the man in black, β€œand the recurrence to image-worship where image-worship has been abolished. Do you know that Moses is considered by the Church as no better than a heretic, and though, for particular reasons, it has been obliged to adopt his writings, the adoption was merely a sham one, as it never paid the slightest attention to them? No, no, the Church was never led by Moses, nor by one mightier than he, whose doctrine it has equally nullified⁠—I allude to Krishna in his second avatar; the Church, it is true, governs in his name, but not unfrequently gives him the lie, if he happens to have said anything which it dislikes. Did you never hear the reply which Padre Paolo Segani made to the French Protestant Jean Anthoine GuΓ©rin, who had asked him whether it

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